Gren Rifle nade is to powerful.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2021, 14:01 PMJulianSnow

oh man.. rifle andes are OP? really..


.7 fuse para/shock troop use, that is OP.


Rifle nade mostly does 0-30% hp dmg in 9 out of 10 shots.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2021, 07:41 AMKoRneY

Lofty idea but far more punishing against smaller squads

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2021, 22:35 PMKurobane

On the contrary smaller squads tend to get wiped by grenades more often than larger squads. Can't remember the last time I had a conscript squad deleted outright by a grenade where as it happens quite frequently with Grenadiers.

An instance that would have wiped your squad would have been avoided so this buffs smaller squads more than it would with larger squads.

Also to clarify a 2-3 model cap doesn't mean the rest take no damage, it just means squad members killed would be capped.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2021, 06:39 AMMr Carmine

Imo the only annoying about the rifle nade is how powerfull it is vs units clumped in yellow cover.
Units tend to clump up in yellow cover. Allowinf for easy wipes from long range.

I would nerf its damage in yellow cover a bit.
The rest is fine, this way you will still do very good damage vs clumped units in yellow cover without outright wiping full health squads (wich is the only problem) You will also be able to destroy the yellow cover and have improved accuracy on the inf.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2021, 07:43 AMvgfgff

yeah I agree.
RifleNade has very longrange and explode on impact.
I prefer range nerf.

riflenade also have animation glitching.Gren didn't play animation but still fire a riflenade.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2021, 16:14 PMfrostbite

agreed
how far can they shoot the nade while pinned?

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2021, 14:36 PMPip

I mean, a solution might also to be trying to avoid having an entire conscript squad use a single bush as cover. The click/drag method usually results in people being spaced decently in cover, assuming there's actually enough cover to begin with.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2021, 02:42 AMMr Carmine

I see your point, but it has been evident over the last couple of years that the devs or balance team implemented many changes so that squads dont get one shotted often or at all without requiering player input to avoid it. Model caps, damage reduction, aoe nerfs.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2021, 15:25 PMPip

Most (if not all?) of this has been introduced in order to tone down autofire explosives (tank cannons, mortars, etc), mines, or rocket artillery though. Other than Gren damage reduction grenades have largely been left "as-is", since they're a targetted and short-ranged munitions ability rather than something "free", so they're i suppose "allowed" to geek entire squads.

I will say that I don't like that grenade oneshots of squads are a "thing" though. It's difficult to solve that issue entirely though, due to the wide range of squad sizes, and a lack of granularity in balancing certain tools vs certain units. Model caps on grenades, for example, benefits factions like SOV rather more than OST, due to the former having individually less valuable models (and simply more models in general).

Hopefully CoH3 has a more elegant solution to this. I really don't think a momentary lapse in concentration should result in an entire squad evaporating, with how focused the game is on veterancy acquisition and maintenance.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2021, 19:02 PMVaz

that's not entirely true, the brumbar was changed to 2 shot squads

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2021, 18:41 PMMassaDerek

Shock troops can't lob that grenade 35 meters over cover and deny you that said cover, then punish you by wiping your entire squad due to models clumping up if you react too late do they?

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2021, 18:41 PMMassaDerek

Moreover, rifle grenades don't even have a fuse timer on their grenades, they explode on impact making them much better than either of these two.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2021, 18:41 PMMassaDerek

Especially since if you move out of cover to dodge the nade the MG42 burst DPS is gonna drop 1-2 models out of your squad.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 07:22 AMJulianSnow

- no, but within that 25 m range they can and deal far more damage (close range nade + close range weapons vs. long range nade + long range weapons).

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 07:22 AMJulianSnow

Maybe they need a timer like the rear echelon riflenade (though that one fires free and on auto-fire), but then the nade needs to be more consistent. Maybe less spike damage and more overal damage?

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2021, 07:22 AMJulianSnow

don't leave your 50% damage reduction modifier?