CoH2 Summer 2021 Balance Patch - BETA

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2021, 14:14 PMGachiGasm

Tbh it hits everything very accuratly. At least in 3v3\4v4 its a meta for a soviet to spam them. Imo it would have been some what alright if not the fact that it comes with 6 models, and to decrew it you need to kill all 6 of them.

With its raw damage, its impossible to counter it with your own mortar, not only because 120mm outranges and outdamage you, but because it can outsit you. This only allows it additional aggresive placement, making it even more accurate.

But over-all I would say that it performs somewhat on a resonable level, but it survivability should be tonned down drastically, to be 4\5 men and decrewing with 1 model left like other mortars. Considering you already have better range and damage, there is no reason for it to be almost immune to other inderect inits and hard to decrew.

This and the fact that almost all of the best soviet commanders comes with it.

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 09:00 AMSmartie

I really dislike that the 1v1 camarilla still dominates the balancing so much although 1v1 is the least popular game mode. In CoH3 this will hopefully change.

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 05:35 AMLetzte Bataillon

Why does this glaring exception for the 120mm Mortar exist in the first place?

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 05:19 AMSkysTheLimit

-50mp for a late game upgrade? That's what you're objecting to?


I would welcome the AVRE and ST just being removed at this point

Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2021, 12:47 PMMr Carmine

Mines being capped at 3 instead of 2 models.

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 05:14 AMjagd wölfe

SU-76

Due to the SU-76's limited gun traverse which forces the unit to always rotate onto target, the moving accuracy is being increased to help compensate for this penalty. The SU-76 will still not be particularly strong at chasing due to its limited gun traverse, requiring targets to be directly in front of it in a narrow arc unlike other fixed gun tank destroyers.

Moving accuracy from 0.5 to 0.75

Great to see my suggestion applies but like I said this should be made for all fixed turret medium tank destroyer, because they are particularly crippling to use in 1vs1 due to their need to rotate.

The SU-76 itself has other issues, like not finding a niche role especially due to the low damage per shot.

Changing it back to a 160 damage per shot with lower rate of fire would give it a role as early Panzer IV counter

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 12:50 PMrumartinez89

I think 120 would be better, at 160 SU76 would make OST T3 useless while giving little reason for soviet player to go T4. With good T70 play the Soviet user would have 1 SU76 and a second close or around the time the P4 hits the field. If OST player goes T4 they would be behind in armor even more. Adding in Doctrinal indirect like 120 mortar, B4, Howitzer and AT overwatch would even allow it to work well against OKW also.

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 12:10 PMLady Xenarra

Already incredibly nasty to deal with AVRE with map that have hedges or small LOS blockers, but I dealt with it for 2,3, X years.

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 14:06 PMMr Carmine

I would disagree. Su76 should get 160 damage with vet. It would not make ost t3 usseles in the slightest. Durability would be the drawback for su t3. Su players would still go t4 because of how flimsy the su 76 t70 and m5 are. Its just not sustainable to stay in the lv stage in the end game (Ost also is usualy not behind in the armour game as keeping their panzers alive is easier)
It would reward su players for keeping the su76 alive and vetted. Su76 would still struggle vs ost t4 or okw panzer 4 and panthers tigers kt etc.

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 11:43 AMSander93

The minimal amount of crew models needed for team weapons (2 for most, 1 for 120mm and HMGs, 3 for Pack howi) is hardcoded, tied to animations I believe. Those requirements can not be changed. No idea why Relic decided the 120mm only needed one crewmember to operate/survive. I guess because it's moved around like a wheelbarrow and they just copied the Maxim/DShK one model animations.

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 14:29 PMAlphrum

has anyone got any screenshots or pic of the new skins?

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Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2021, 14:54 PMGachiGasm

Cant it be lowerd to just 4 models then? As Klement said, it might aswell right now have 6 models, since you need only 1 to operate. Or maybe change its formation somehow, so it would be easier to counter it.