Fallshirms are OKW power creep

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 13:24 PMwaasdijki

Please post the replay of the game where he beat you with falls, I would love to see it

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 13:26 PMMassaDerek

Neither me or my friend bothered to save the replay since we were just done at that point

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 12:55 PMMassaDerek

Dont have much access to vehicles up until the 12 min mark unless I rush for a centaur at the 10 minute mark if he's blobbing which is going to delay my Comet, or wait until the 12-14 min mark to get a Comet and be relatively safe against any PZ4 or Panther rush.
My only option at that point would be to make another Vickers or a Sniper or double sniper, but we all know thats a very risky play and manpower intensive with less payoff compared to OST/SOV sniper since the UKF sniper shoots slower.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 13:51 PMEsxile

I think this is were your logic fail. Build a Centaur if you need to. You can't simply say -Oh he is building something special that wreck my infantry but I don't want to give the correct answer because I want my comet.

This is Coh not CoComet, build a centaur if your opponent is playing with heavy infantry, support it with your own atgun, use your own infantry to focus his raketen so your centaur can go freely.
If you believe he is going to get sooner a Pz4 then build a Cromwell.

Aside from that yes Falls are incredibly stupidly designed and highly reward blobbing but OKW is all about blobbing so nothing special here.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 13:40 PMHannibal

If you did not play another match, the last game is always saved as "temp".

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 14:10 PMMassaDerek

I have noticed in my long playtime that a majority of axis players regardless of which faction they are currently playing rush for a P4, with early caches, no IS upgrades and holding atleast one fuel point, I can rush for a Comet and get it around the same time as a P4, because they expect a P4 to be a match-winning tank but suddenly get put against a Comet in which they are in a bad matchup, they wasted fuel on something that is going to lose against my Comet.
Doing this with a premade team has gotten me good results overall, averaging around a 79% winrate with my 3v3 premade team.

What is the big issue is the amount of infantry spam that occured in the match from a certain OKW player I was facing, he was putting too much pressure in the timespan he had before I got my comet, not that we were doing very well in this particular match anyway, but by the time I got my Comet( around 14 min mark which is a bit late for my strategy IMO) we had already been bled dry of VP points and we were all on edge that match so we just dropped IIRC.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 14:18 PMEsxile

As I said, you're not adapting your strategy. You got used to rush Comet because it was convenient vs Pz4 rush in hand of low level players. But Comet isn't the only answer to Pz4.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jul 2021, 19:53 PMMassaDerek

LMG Obers only have one automatic weapon, which can be dropped and stolen.Atleast 50% of their overall DPS relies on the MG34, so they're not as bad as Fallshirms

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 14:21 PMMassaDerek

Premade rank 470ish is low level?

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 14:35 PMKieselberg

Partially. It isnt high level either.

You did admit, that your team is a one trick pony and that your strat doesnt work, if the other side pressures you with infantry, while you dont properly invest in anti infantry, just to get a comet.

Adapting is the only option.

Besides: If the enemy manages to get 2-3 fallies, they lack in other areas. They are a huge mp investment and carry a huge upkeep.

My question is: What kind of stuff do you build for your mp, while the okw guy is investing in infantry?

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 14:43 PMMassaDerek

IIRC I had 2 unupgraded(MP upkeep for IS is too high to have more), 1 MG, later on built a second because of his blob, AT gun, RRE, and a single commando I believe.
I use RRE to build 1-2 fuel caches from the second minute on because the longer FC are on the map the more fuel you will get for longer.
My two teammates actually just play how they like, I'm the "support" that has less field presence in order to afford FC and heavier armor earlier than most would expect, which catches them offguard and is usually how we win because they invest in the medium armor game and it doesn't pay off.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 15:42 PMKieselberg

We can conclude, that you get outnumbered pretty hard. Even if the okw put his mp only in volks you would be in trouble.

Consindering the topic; Fallies arnt the problem or a powercreep here.


Sidenote: From my pov fallies arnt a viable option in higher rank games, since they doesnt have the durability they neeed in those meat grinders. They starve you mp and have only decent other commander abilites.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 16:23 PMthedarkarmadillo

I do think that falls were power crept,like just about everything else... their initial design was ambush pgrens with a snare and a better weapon. They needed to be used well or you would they were unsustainable (which is totally unreasonable for the late war Germany OKW was modeled for)
They were a fun unit, if a bit underappreciated.

A bit like commandos the camo went from how they are supposed to be used to a powerful optional aspect. Using Vetted falls from camo is so disgustingly powerful there is no counterplay due to the massive bonus and the raw power of the super FG42s that were introduced because losing models isn't supposed to be punishing anymore

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 14:43 PMMassaDerek

IIRC I had 2 unupgraded(MP upkeep for IS is too high to have more), 1 MG, later on built a second because of his blob, AT gun, RRE, and a single commando I believe.
I use RRE to build 1-2 fuel caches from the second minute on because the longer FC are on the map the more fuel you will get for longer.
My two teammates actually just play how they like, I'm the "support" that has less field presence in order to afford FC and heavier armor earlier than most would expect, which catches them offguard and is usually how we win because they invest in the medium armor game and it doesn't pay off.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2021, 18:37 PMPip

This really does just seem to be more a case of your strategy being totally ineffective against someone /not/ just willing to let you stall for a comet, rather than anything specifically wrong with Fallschirmjager.

Two fuel caches early on is a lot of wasted MP that you could instead have used for IS, or even more Commandos armed with Brens... or instead of rushing the comet get yourself a Valentine or Centaur to mulch his absurd investment in infantry.

How many Volks did your opponent have alongside his 2-3 fallschirmjager?

Jump back to quoted post27 Jul 2021, 19:53 PMMassaDerek

LMG Obers only have one automatic weapon [...] Atleast 50% of their overall DPS relies on the MG34, so they're not as bad as Fallshirms with an entire squad of non droppable FG42s that are not hindered as much by any squadmate dying.