Replace m8 Scott with the calliope.
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Proposition: replace the M8 Scott with the calliope. Move the 105mm Sherman to the doctrines with the calliope. Place the Scott within the recon support commander (thematic) with the greyhound and make it a 3 CP call in. I think it would also fit with rifle company or mechanized support company as well.
This would make players less dependent on picking doctrines with heavy artillery, especially in 4v4s, and make other commanders more appealing
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It will never happen, USF is my favorite faction and it would make USF OP. I would say right now Rifle Company is USF weakest commander and it would be difficult to beat with Calliope as part of the stock lineup. A player could literally mine the map, call out E8 to brawl and destroy enemy units with the cali especially combined with White phos smoke. Same would happen with Pershing and possible armor company due to ass eng laying down mines.
Thanks for an actual response and not a stupid meme post.
I think you could apply this logic to any faction with non-doc artillery though. Panthers with stukas/panzerwerfers, t34s with katyushas, etc. I don't see how giving the US an expensive non-doc artillery unit makes them OP.
If the calliope is what makes this not possible, what about replacing the Scott with another unit (maybe the 105mm sherman) and making it a CP call in?
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Thanks for an actual response and not a stupid meme post.
I think you could apply this logic to any faction with non-doc artillery though. Panthers with stukas/panzerwerfers, t34s with katyushas, etc. I don't see how giving the US an expensive non-doc artillery unit makes them OP.
If the calliope is what makes this not possible, what about replacing the Scott with another unit (maybe the 105mm sherman) and making it a CP call in?
I think the main issue would be the Jackson zoning out the Panther and the Calliope could actually destroy both stuka and panzerwerfer in a lucky barrage due to area and volume of rockets. It would require a lot of rebalancing.
I have been playing a lot of soviets lately and the t3476 is straight trash, that is not going to stop a tank kiting the Katy. The stock mines, conscript snare, penal at satchel are what would make people think twice.
I would like the 105 to be stock, the Vet1 ability would allow for more consistent bunker busting compared to the Scott.
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Scott did suffer in recent nerfs but the previous situation of it outranging an AT gun was not acceptable either.
EDIT: The fundamental issue with the Scott is that it is a howitzer on treads and extremely difficult to pin down, even with a Puma. Smokes against dives and moves fast. LeFH can blow it to hell if they’re asleep at the wheel but otherwise it is a pain. Thus difficult to balance imho.
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If it's supposed to fill the hole of rockets in needs to have some better blob fighting capacity and we've seen from the B4 how strong spying supression in an area being barrage can be.
No supression on auto fire JUST the barrage.
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Realistically it would be better to just remove the Auto Fire from the M8 Scott and turn it into the USF version of Katyusha/Panzerwerfer.
Also M8 Scotts were used in an anti-armor role (they could deal with Panzer 3 tanks easily and Japanese tanks)
So it would be interesting if as an alternative it could also function as a USF version of the SU-76
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It would be nice if USF had a complete army and had access to artillery however I highly doubt they would make Calliope Non-Doctrinal.
Realistically it would be better to just remove the Auto Fire from the M8 Scott and turn it into the USF version of Katyusha/Panzerwerfer.
Also M8 Scotts were used in an anti-armor role (they could deal with Panzer 3 tanks easily and Japanese tanks)
So it would be interesting if as an alternative it could also function as a USF version of the SU-76
i d like different fire modes
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i d like different fire modes
Especially since Sherman's share a similar theme.
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Rework Pack Howitzer into a good barrage only weapon.
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Adjust Scott for a LV timing and swap it with the Pack Howitzer.
Rework Pack Howitzer into a good barrage only weapon.
+1 really like this
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Adjust Scott for a LV timing and swap it with the Pack Howitzer.
Rework Pack Howitzer into a good barrage only weapon.
too complex for them, see how the butcher the pak and scott on the same patch to become redundant units.
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too complex for them, see how the butcher the pak and scott on the same patch to become redundant units.
Yea the MOD team are not that clever because double pack howizter was such a nice meta and they ruined it.
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too complex for them, see how the butcher the pak and scott on the same patch to become redundant units.
There was nothing good about squads being deleted on approach to a skill howie.
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There was nothing good about squads being deleted on approach to a skill howie.
"non skill" howie
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Adjust Scott for a LV timing and swap it with the Pack Howitzer.
Rework Pack Howitzer into a good barrage only weapon.
+1
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But it might have an ability locked behind major, once major is built, and enchanced barrage ability would be available
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