will there be v4 update of commander patch
23 May 2021, 08:04 AM
#1
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title.
23 May 2021, 15:05 PM
#2
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No the patch is gonna go live now that ML5 is finished (they said this week if everything goes well but things out of their control need to happen first).
23 May 2021, 17:23 PM
#3
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Shit. Gonna be a shit patch. Still no 6-man Rifles, no bren LMG for Ass Guards, IL2 Loiters removed from way too many docs.
23 May 2021, 22:09 PM
#4
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Not a Fan of the Removal of the Loiter abilities. Its not hard to make Anti Air Units but we have Company of Spam so anything that threaten the spam Meta Gets nerfed.
I don't think Rifleman need a 6 man squad. What would make more sense is if they cut the Reinforcement cost by significant amount.
They should bring back the Supply Yard from COH 1. For those not Familiar, at the end of the game US in COH 1 had an upgrade which would reduce the Upkeep of Units which represented the US coming into the war later than everyone else and was more easily able to reinforce compared to other factions.
I don't think Rifleman need a 6 man squad. What would make more sense is if they cut the Reinforcement cost by significant amount.
They should bring back the Supply Yard from COH 1. For those not Familiar, at the end of the game US in COH 1 had an upgrade which would reduce the Upkeep of Units which represented the US coming into the war later than everyone else and was more easily able to reinforce compared to other factions.
23 May 2021, 23:05 PM
#5
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Shit. Gonna be a shit patch. Still no 6-man Rifles, no bren LMG for Ass Guards, IL2 Loiters removed from way too many docs.
>>6-Man Rifles is literally Penals in early game and with rifles crazy veterancy and weapons upgrades available, they would be bonkers. No way that will ever happen.
>>Why would you want Brens for Assault Guards ? Just because they are in the lend lease doctrine ? If you want Guards with MGs, there is already the classic one. And if you want Brens for Soviet faction, that will completely break them.
>>Loiters are cancer. All skillplanes should be skill shots like Stuka AT strafe. They are incredibly powerful and rewarding yet still super expensive and high risk.
So basically all your "thingies" are weird request that has nothing to do with the balance patch, meanwhile the patches are almost always in the good direction for the average player.
Grens are finally good.
24 May 2021, 05:07 AM
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>>6-Man Rifles is literally Penals in early game and with rifles crazy veterancy and weapons upgrades available, they would be bonkers. No way that will ever happen.
This is for Rifle company
>>Why would you want Brens for Assault Guards ? Just because they are in the lend lease doctrine ? If you want Guards with MGs, there is already the classic one. And if you want Brens for Soviet faction, that will completely break them.
Well then we'll have infantry that can be adapted for any situation cqc, at and long range like riflemen. Lends Lease has no of maps or super special ability so giving an elite infantry squad that can essentially cover any situation is good. +the cheapest upgrade is 70 muni, would love something cheaper like 45 muni bren guns.
>>Loiters are cancer. All skillplanes should be skill shots like Stuka AT strafe. They are incredibly powerful and rewarding yet still super expensive and high risk.
Ostheer still has 3 docs with CAS. But only 1 soviet commander has the loiter remaining. How is that fair.
24 May 2021, 05:32 AM
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Ostheer still has 3 docs with CAS. But only 1 soviet commander has the loiter remaining. How is that fair.
iirc sander already mentioned somewhere that they're looking into this and the il-2 loiter is likely to be added to one or two doctrines.
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24 May 2021, 06:43 AM
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iirc sander already mentioned somewhere that they're looking into this and the il-2 loiter is likely to be added to one or two doctrines.
I know, he said advanced warfare tactics was a candidate but no updates on that and he said it when it was still v2.
24 May 2021, 19:08 PM
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Ostheer still has 3 docs with CAS. But only 1 soviet commander has the loiter remaining. How is that fair.
Count the number of tiger commanders vs is-2 commanders. Numbers don't really matter. What matters is the viability of all commanders.
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24 May 2021, 19:17 PM
#10
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iirc sander already mentioned somewhere that they're looking into this and the il-2 loiter is likely to be added to one or two doctrines.
Stuff like this is great to see, but it really could have used another round of testing imo.
24 May 2021, 19:20 PM
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Will this patch fix the observer mode as well?
It been close to half a year now
It been close to half a year now
24 May 2021, 21:23 PM
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My only concerns are Raid Section, Easy-8, and Ostruppen. We basically never got a real community test of Raid sections with 1 version with the new pseduo-Rifle style and never got to test them with a proper Vet 1 ability. Easy-8 felt find of half-baked and Ostruppen looked kind of OP per Tightrope's test so I would have liked to see at least one more version of those...
25 May 2021, 00:03 AM
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Yeah Ostheer is going to by far be the strongest faction at least in 1v1 next patch assuming most of these changes go through.
25 May 2021, 04:22 AM
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Count the number of tiger commanders vs is-2 commanders. Numbers don't really matter. What matters is the viability of all commanders.
Count the number of commanders with heavy for both factions dude.
Ost: 2 ele + 4 tigers + 2 aces = 8 commanders with Heavy
Sov: 2 isu + 2 is2 + 2 kv2 + 3 kv1 = 9 commanders with Heavy
25 May 2021, 04:25 AM
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My only concerns are Raid Section, Easy-8, and Ostruppen. We basically never got a real community test of Raid sections with 1 version with the new pseduo-Rifle style and never got to test them with a proper Vet 1 ability. Easy-8 felt find of half-baked and Ostruppen looked kind of OP per Tightrope's test so I would have liked to see at least one more version of those...
Osttruppen pretty much do the same in live too. You can't seriously say a difference of 1.2 dps from their lmg makes the OP. Do the test on live and you'll see it's a marginal improvement.
25 May 2021, 04:26 AM
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Yeah Ostheer is going to by far be the strongest faction at least in 1v1 next patch assuming most of these changes go through.
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25 May 2021, 05:25 AM
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I was expecting a v4 too, but looking at the changes they seem mostly ok, perhaps a few minor things could be different:
-OKW: Opel Blitz instead of For The Fatherland in Fortifications doctrine, so pak43s and lefh18s can reinforce
-UKF: I would loved to see a 25 pounder emplacement in Advanced Emplacement doctrine, perhaps in place of Improved Fortification, along with an mg bunker
-Soviet: still unsure about the partisan doctrine rework, now partisans costing muni (tho they seem more durable, even if not mentioned), also spy network only working for the owner...
-Soviet and Ostheer: Rapid Conscription and Relief Infatry should be just completely replaced, they still seem like a waste
-Ostheer: Stuka Smoke instead of Panzer Tactician in Festung Armor, so they get some recon
-Ostheer: I would have preferred to have the arty barrage instead of mark target on the CP4
(-Ostheer: how about having Stormtroopers in Storm doctrine instead of JCS?
)
-OKW: Opel Blitz instead of For The Fatherland in Fortifications doctrine, so pak43s and lefh18s can reinforce
-UKF: I would loved to see a 25 pounder emplacement in Advanced Emplacement doctrine, perhaps in place of Improved Fortification, along with an mg bunker
-Soviet: still unsure about the partisan doctrine rework, now partisans costing muni (tho they seem more durable, even if not mentioned), also spy network only working for the owner...
-Soviet and Ostheer: Rapid Conscription and Relief Infatry should be just completely replaced, they still seem like a waste
-Ostheer: Stuka Smoke instead of Panzer Tactician in Festung Armor, so they get some recon
-Ostheer: I would have preferred to have the arty barrage instead of mark target on the CP4
(-Ostheer: how about having Stormtroopers in Storm doctrine instead of JCS?
)
25 May 2021, 09:44 AM
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28 May 2021, 01:59 AM
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Yes 
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30 May 2021, 01:05 AM
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p4j's with smokes + hull down baby.
Ya I actually really like the changes to Festung Armour, only thing the Doctrine is lacking is recon
this dude has a lot of great ideas about cmdrs
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Oh wow
Yes
There will be another? I thought they were just finalizing it before it releases in a couple days
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