The game slowly moves away from an historical WW2 game

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 08:13 AMPanzerKampf

And slowly becomes just a "flavoured" WW2 RTS game.

The latest balance patch did something more than just "balance" the game.
It implemented a number of changes that are completely against historical authenticity.

G43 rifle (while being similar to a sniper rifle thus good from a distance) gets changed to being good mid to close range. Really?

USF ambulance now takes 2 Panzer shots to kill. Its a car, not an armoured vehicle and even so in real life, if a tank would shoot an ambulance it would go boom with one shot.

I am playing this game because it is the most tactical and strategical RTS out there but also because it is a WW2 themed.

All these changes and more are turning the game away from a WW2 game and into becoming a custom RTS with a whiff of WW2.

I wonder if the magnificent balance team members have any clue or idea of the history of WW2 and the actual weapons, artilery and warfare being used.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 12:58 PMGrim

if historical accuracy was practiced then:

Shermans and T34/85s would be 10 fuel.
-All axis air support abilities would be reduced to 90% effectiveness when fighting a western army.
-Fuel income for axis would be reduced for each minute of the game that passes.
-if you lose as axis your profile stands a chance of having the 'Nuremberg trials' debuff applied and you can no longer use the commander you selected in the match.
-UKF air supremacy reduced to 20 munitions but AoE covers the entire map and also overflows into other matches.


etc etc

You see, historical accuracy would be one slippery slope for the faction that, historically, lost.

Now, I'm not saying you have any faction preferences, PanzerKampf, but surely you see my point

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 13:03 PMPanzerKampf

Sigh... please read my previous post:
" All I'm saying is let's not try to lose as little authenticity as we have now. Let's not lose anymore of it just for the sake of changing the game."

I want to preserve what little historical authenticity we currently have without losing more. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

Also read Kasarov's post explaining a change for the next patch that directly contradicts history.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 08:13 AMPanzerKampf

And slowly becomes just a "flavoured" WW2 RTS game.

The latest balance patch did something more than just "balance" the game.
It implemented a number of changes that are completely against historical authenticity
.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 08:13 AMPanzerKampf

And slowly becomes just a "flavoured" WW2 RTS game.

The latest balance patch did something more than just "balance" the game.
It implemented a number of changes that are completely against historical authenticity.

G43 rifle (while being similar to a sniper rifle thus good from a distance) gets changed to being good mid to close range. Really?

USF ambulance now takes 2 Panzer shots to kill. Its a car, not an armoured vehicle and even so in real life, if a tank would shoot an ambulance it would go boom with one shot.

I am playing this game because it is the most tactical and strategical RTS out there but also because it is a WW2 themed.

All these changes and more are turning the game away from a WW2 game and into becoming a custom RTS with a whiff of WW2.

I wonder if the magnificent balance team members have any clue or idea of the history of WW2 and the actual weapons, artilery and warfare being used.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 12:37 PMJulianSnow

I think most people just skip his comments.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 16:38 PMelchino7

I gonna refute all your points by how the game was in 2013/2014 in the hands of Relic.

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Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 17:06 PMVipper

If want to pull history (although I do not see the point) G43 start as long range weapon...It could even fire at range above range 35 until it was turn into using carbine profile.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 16:38 PMelchino7

I gonna refute all your points by how the game was in 2013/2014 in the hands of Relic.

1- G43 has always been a close/mid range weapon that is good on the move and that it doesn't lose dmg at range.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/jaeger_g43_rifle_mp

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 17:56 PMGiaA

I'm pretty sure the G43 used to be lomg range.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 17:51 PMelchino7

I'm under the impression that it was still godly at close range. I don't remember them having more range and it was mostly it's mobility the selling point.

https://www.coh2.org/topic/4304/jaeger-infantry-commander-viability
http://hardcoregamemode.blogspot.com/2013/07/guide-coh2-list-of-infantry-weapons-by.html


The point of bringing history is the context of OP post (the first one was invis due to flaming). He complains about the current state of the game and that Relic did a better job, when the points he brings out were already done by Relic at that time.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 17:56 PMGiaA

I'm pretty sure the G43 used to be lomg range.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 08:13 AMPanzerKampf

And slowly becomes just a "flavoured" WW2 RTS game.

The latest balance patch did something more than just "balance" the game.
It implemented a number of changes that are completely against historical authenticity.

G43 rifle (while being similar to a sniper rifle thus good from a distance) gets changed to being good mid to close range. Really?

USF ambulance now takes 2 Panzer shots to kill. Its a car, not an armoured vehicle and even so in real life, if a tank would shoot an ambulance it would go boom with one shot.

I am playing this game because it is the most tactical and strategical RTS out there but also because it is a WW2 themed.

All these changes and more are turning the game away from a WW2 game and into becoming a custom RTS with a whiff of WW2.

I wonder if the magnificent balance team members have any clue or idea of the history of WW2 and the actual weapons, artilery and warfare being used.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 08:19 AMA_E

I would agree that there's been too many tonal shifts in the name of balance, the worst offender will and always will be the penal battalions being an elite unit with the best equipment available.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 08:13 AMPanzerKampf

USF ambulance now takes 2 Panzer shots to kill. Its a car, not an armoured vehicle and even so in real life, if a tank would shoot an ambulance it would go boom with one shot.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 19:15 PMKatitof

With old weapon profiles, even ppsh was a long range weapon.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 09:58 AMVipper

The game covers a large area of time, if it was 1944 to 1945 one would not see KV-2 as Soviet unit.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 11:14 AMKasarov

I don't necessarily agree with the term historical accuracy, as it carries the connotation that everything needs to be exact. However, I do agree that the game is less and less historically authentic. I think many balance changes, while good, are done in a way that gradually moves away from historical authenticity.

I am not necessarily upset at the balance team because they're still doing their best to keep the game alive, but I do wish some of the changes were a bit more nuanced and giving more attention to historical backing.

I really really dislike, for example, the addition of the Soviet M2HB in the next patch as it feels like a change for the sake of change, fulfilling basically the same role as DShK with a token buff to its arc. However, my biggest issue is that this also ignores the fact that the M2 .50cals the Soviets received were not infantry variants, but rather vehicle mounted varieties on tanks and halftracks. Instead, the Lend-Lease doctrine could have gotten something far more unique, interesting, and authentic, such as a DShK-armed Universal Carrier. If the balance team insists on sticking to the arbitrary requirement of 'no cross-faction vehicles,' (which IMO is a terrible precedent to set for any potential future updates) I'd rather have the doctrine's DShK remain as-is instead of swapping it out for a 'Lend-Lease .50' that isn't actually faithful to history.

"Balance comes before history" should never be an argument for ahistorical changes because there are always alternative methods that can satisfy BOTH historical authenticity AND gameplay balance.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2021, 21:35 PMGiaA

It's not like weapon profiles were completely flat lol. There were long and short range weapons the differences were just less extreme.