Commander Update Beta 2021 - OKW Feedback

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 19:16 PMSpoof

I don't think we should touch Pfusis, at least not until we can get a Volks adjustment.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 19:47 PMKatitof

What makes you think volks need any adjustments?
There is a reason they haven't received a single change for such a long time now, unless you want to adjust MP40 upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 17:23 PMShadowLinkX37

Not that unanimous decision making isn't good, but this looks like you're implying other people basically pushed the fusi change through, regardless of whether or not other people were telling them (which doesn't appear to be you) it was a bad change

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 15:56 PMaerafield

because decisions dont have to be unanimous in the team

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 20:03 PMpvtgooner

Very interesting. So the followup question is, who asked for this change to be in there and what was the reasoning used?

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 20:36 PMaerafield

Sorry but obviously I wont answer that question. I will always say my opinion if I dont like a change but I wont call out specific names

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 21:18 PMTiger Baron

I realized, why not merge the Pak 43 and Lefh 18 into one ability as well and add Hull Down to the doctrine?

Makes sense theme wise and For the Fatherland gets the stay as well.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 21:24 PMPatFenis

While I love the idea, I'm not sure how hard it is to add the hull down animations to the OKW tanks.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 16:05 PMPip

Honestly I wouldn't mind an OKW commander (Be it an existing one, or a newly minted one) revolving around Beutewaffen and even Beutepanzer.

Would giving Sturms rifles actually be useful, or is this just an April Fools post? I assume the latter, given that you mention giving them Mosins.



It appears to be a buff in the early game, but I think it's arguably a (Minor?) nerf in the lategame (Except for AT Fusies, who have simply had their performance improved).

I say it's a minor nerf as less of the Fusies' DPS is localised in their G43 now, which makes model drops a little more impactful. I'm not sure how much it actually changes their performance though, I haven't done the maths here.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 19:58 PMSpoof

Their veterancy and scaling should be adjusted. If anything, the MP40 upgrade is the only thing that doesn't need to be adjusted since it gives Volks a niche that they are good at.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 18:16 PMTiger Baron

Also another idea from Widerstreit for the LeIG18 this time around:



Direct fire mode that could make it into a makeshift sort of AT gun giving the medical HQ more practical choice as well as a high angle indirect fire ability.

Maybe something that can be added to Firestorm as part of some sort of package along with the napalm shells?

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 23:12 PMKatitof

But why?
They aren't supposed to be stand alone in late game(this is why obers exist and even became easier to get) and do perfectly fine up until that point.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2021, 20:02 PMSander93

It's only natural that there are some changes that some people are sceptical of or even against. I don't agree with certain changes in this preview either. But anyone can be wrong. That's why we publish these previews, so we can experiment and see what sticks, and gather feedback from a wider audience.

In regards to the Pfussie changes, they're meant to make them more viable in 1v1 because their opening is just too weak there. Without really changing too much in teamgames where you can already get away with using only/mostly Pfussies over Volks. I personally thought that was worth trying out. If it doesn't work out we can just revert it later.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 02:09 AMSpoof

Because Obers can't do everything for them. Volks have to be able to trade efficiently late game which they don't.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 02:09 AMSpoof

Because Obers can't do everything for them. Volks have to be able to trade efficiently late game which they don't.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 03:48 AMShadowLinkX37

I think that while the idea is good to help 1v1, I think teamgames need help more than trying to make another 2 commanders viable when OKWs commander roster is overall solid. Even if the change is minor, in teamgames this just enables the pfusi blob to come online quicker and in a better position than normal, and people will always pick breakthrough so long as the JT isn't a smoldering pile of kubels. The only thing that probably keeps people from picking breakthrough every game was the uncounterable flares and the fact that overwatch has the best air support in the game and OP LeFHs. Not to mention JLI which are insane in their own right.

I'm not trying to list off every commander from OKW and their OP attributes, but breakthrough was one of those doctrines that was already really good, and doesn't really need any push farther up the balance ladder. Grand offensive after those monster Tiger buffs would also become top tier.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2021, 07:35 AMKatitof

I don't see the need to buff already very popular commanders just for the sake of 1v1 alone.