Commander Update Beta 2021 - Ostheer Feedback

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 01:30 AMKlement Pikhtura

I tested this and could not replicate results at point blank. Paras won repeatedly.

Also, guys, carbines are shorter rifles. M1 is a semi auto-rifle. M1A1 Carbine is a carbine. It is smaller, shorter (and fires smaller cartridge, but this is irrelevant to the term). Thus G43 is not a carbine, same with SVT. You can make a carbine out of SMLE, Kar98 or Mosin Nagant by shortening the barrel. The term came from cavalry that used shortened muskets. Although in Russian 'carbine' for some reason is a semi auto rifle.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2021, 04:06 AMFunPolice

Also I hope Close Air Support can get some little buff. I feel like it's gonna be left behind with the buffs to luftwaffe supply doctrine. At least maybe consider the supply drop zone to be more bundled together so it doesn't take so long to resources from it. It would be neat to see something like the luftwaffe field officer in the commander though.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 02:19 AMKT610

the New changes to Osttruppen make them way too strong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOfXAtUA-tQ (28:06)

Perhaps scarp the LMG upgrade give them a upgrade similar to cons mobilized reverses upgrade which would fit better into there cannonfodder role

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 02:19 AMKT610

the New changes to Osttruppen make them way too strong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOfXAtUA-tQ (28:06)

Perhaps scarp the LMG upgrade give them a upgrade similar to cons mobilized reverses upgrade which would fit better into there cannonfodder role

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 05:04 AMMMX

just saw the video and, wow, that's really insane

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 07:52 AMSander93

This test was done on live. Of course an LMG squad beats Cons at long range. So do Grens. That's the point of an LMG upgrade. Cons are a close to mid range squad.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 08:53 AMHannibal

-50% accuracy for pick up weapons including the LMG42 upgrade (preview changes this to -25%? I don't fully get it)

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 08:51 AMSander93

Grens do similar if not better. And that's in the exact same scenario, disregarding their much better performance out of cover or using their grenade, or the fact that they can heal on the field after such an engagement. [...]

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 08:56 AMHannibal

Thanks!


EDIT:
Just to be sure:
Slot weapons do not benefit from the in-cover bonus?

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 10:27 AMVipper

ostruppen are a weird fruit. The have higher accuracy but have 50% penalty in all weapons.

Their DPS out cover is much lower than what you get theoretically by the stats. The penalty basically cut the bonus in cover bonus in half.

Imo not even sure why they use this weird mechanism.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 07:52 AMSander93

This test was done on live. Of course an LMG squad beats Cons at long range. So do Grens. That's the point of an LMG upgrade. Cons are a close to mid range squad.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 11:02 AMHannibal

Also on the K98s?
So in cover they would have 0.5*3 = 1.5 the accuracy that you would find in the attribute editor.


I thought it was only for slot weapons (picked up ones and the LMG42 upgrade)

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2021, 11:08 AMVipper

Sort of, in cover bonus is 3 times higher than out of cover but only 1.5 better of theoretical.

The DPS of K98 should look something like this:

Theoretical (does not apply )--->2.42/1.86/1.49/1.20/1.07
No cover--->1.21/0.93/0.75/0.60/0.53
In cover--->3.63/2.79/2.24/1.80/1.60