Lefh Counter Barrage Controversy

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 12:49 PMVipper

At this point you it seem that you are trying to pick up fight and I am not really interested.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 12:49 PMVipper

I have point a very simply thing:

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:40 AMEsxile

Depend on cooldown but I'm reacting more about the "solution" proposed, -Yeah just back off out of Lefh range.
Should say the same thing next time someone complain about elefant or jackson range, just back off out of range. Why have we nerfed ISU range again last patch? you just need to back off out of range...

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 13:28 PMSupremeStefan

After 8 years they changed jager armor
Becasue that was meta problem in teamgames.
Hmm but Lefh CB abuse is ok because what?

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 14:15 PMNorthWeapon

I said no at first because strong ability is good and fun but after watching video, that does seem like cheating. But I am skeptical that this doesn't happen in-game under normal circumstances.

Usually if I queue retreat back to base I don't get hit.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 14:40 PMProtos Angelus

I'm pretty sure CB will follow the mortar along the retreat and will shell the base

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 14:54 PM|GB| The Lnt.599

just shoot barrage with your zisgun or mortar in a corner of the map --> trigger CB, retreat --> shoot the rocket/other arty piece --> profit .

been doing that for ages, all things aside though i think the tracking through the fow might be a bit over the top. i thought it would just shoot the last known location

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 15:00 PMHannibal

You're sparking an idea here:
Build Scott for 10 pop.
Use Scott barrage, instantly cancel after 1 shot.
Queue in 1000 shift commands of driving the Scott back and forth.
LeFH will continuously setup and resetup.
You now gained 3 pop advantage over 13 pop LeFH.
Steamroll your opponent with half a main line infantry squad more.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 15:05 PMSelvy289

Look if anyone took an interest to do more testing you would find out that mortars dont trigger this which I assume is due to the type of round which leads me believing this is unintended.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 15:00 PMHannibal

You're sparking an idea here:
Build Scott for 10 pop.
Use Scott barrage, instantly cancel after 1 shot.
Queue in 1000 shift commands of driving the Scott back and forth.
LeFH will continuously setup and resetup.
You now gained 3 pop advantage over 13 pop LeFH.
Steamroll your opponent with half a main line infantry squad more.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 15:05 PMSelvy289

Look if anyone took an interest to do more testing you would find out that mortars dont trigger this which I assume is due to the type of round which leads me believing this is unintended.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 15:14 PMTygrys

Of course this is unintended and stupid. But apparently it isn't an issue to some despite video evidence to the contrary. Something about it "not happening in game" when the same person who did the test in OP also posted a clip from the game of his Katyusha getting shit on by a leFH tracking it.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 17:38 PMIntoTheRain

So to recap, the correct way to use Counter Barrage is now to aim it perpendicular to the enemy position. Because it spends time rotating and tracks through the fog of war, the barrage won't start until it rotates enough to be able to fire at them, by which point their barrage would have finished and their retreat order would have been given. Counter Barrage will then attack them at where they retreated to since fog of war doesn't affect it..

Because of the delay before the counter barrage, the Allied team can never be sure if the LeFH is rotating or if counter barrage is even accurate, meaning the only way to truly protect your Arty is to never stop moving.

...And the balance team is fine with this.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 17:38 PMIntoTheRain

So to recap, the correct way to use Counter Barrage is now to aim it perpendicular to the enemy position. Because it spends time rotating and tracks through the fog of war, the barrage won't start until it rotates enough to be able to fire at them, by which point their barrage would have finished and their retreat order would have been given. Counter Barrage will then attack them at where they retreated to since fog of war doesn't affect it..

Because of the delay before the counter barrage, the Allied team can never be sure if the LeFH is rotating or if counter barrage is even active, meaning the only way to truly protect your Arty is to never stop moving.

...And the balance team is fine with this.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 11:51 AMSander93

Only took them 8 years. I guess it's not that bad then, based on this argument.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 13:38 PMHannibal

That's a whataboutism. And even then missing the point.
Most people said CB needs changes. But CB showing tracking behaviour (and this is only about the tracking behaviour) is by itself not as big of an issue as some people make it out to be.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2021, 15:00 PMHannibal

You're sparking an idea here:
Build Scott for 10 pop.
Use Scott barrage, instantly cancel after 1 shot.
Queue in 1000 shift commands of driving the Scott back and forth.
LeFH will continuously setup and resetup.
You now gained 3 pop advantage over 13 pop LeFH.
Steamroll your opponent with half a main line infantry squad more.