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Their strong combat performance isnt evidence of them not being burdened with tasks though. The point at which they stop being quite so good at fighting allied troops is the point at which they might actually have the time to get engineering done.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Having played 10 competitive games as wehrmacht on the balance mod, I can confirm that they do seem a lot more viable in 1v1 when not using crutch infantry like ostruppen and assault grens. At least at my level when playing against rank 200-400 opponents.
I attribute this to the gren/mg42 formation changes, and the t70 nerf.
Most of the people in this thread have probably not even played 1 game on the balance mod, they shouldn't even be allowed to express their opinion on this topic in my genuine opinion.
Yes I'm gatekeeping, there should be a rule: "play before you form your opinions or STFU". We've all been guilty of this in the past but it doesn't mean we can't change.
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I've said they are NOT overburdened by anything in early game.
Reading comprehension.
Both, repair time capacity and offensive capabilities.
And what is your point here?
Its not like tripple kubel or something is meta opening, so spios don't repair anything prior to luchs/puma anyway.
Also, just to be sure, you do realize you are in wrong thread to QQ about spios?
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RE sure, but Sturmpioneers? No, they're already heavily burdened. Sturms are expected to lay mines, wire (With wire that takes significantly longer to lay than normal), repair vehicles (Alone, until lategame, IF the OKW player has gone mechanised), heal (If the player hasn't gone Battlegroup), and act as OKW's assault infantry. They just don't have the time to sandbag at the moment.
This is compounded by their expense and pop-cap pricing that means getting more than one Sturm is simply non-viable in most games (And they are comparatively difficult to replace).
As much as Sandbags on Mainlines is AIDS, I think that OKW are honestly the only faction that can't justify taking it away from them... unless they had access to a cheaper engineer unit to supplement Sturms.
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All of what you said OST pio is doing + additionally only one who can build sandbags, have to build buildings. OST pioneer is the most heavily overburdened unit in the game.
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I understand the logic, but it would leave soviets at a big disadvantidge vs them. This woyld mean soviets need early tools such as nades to have them be able to handle them, or the mg42 needs a hard nerf.
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Yes, but you generally have two OST pioneers, even quite early on in some builds, whereas you simply cannot justify two Sturms in most cases.
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I would honestly say the best thing to do is to make it so Molotov's are automatically unlocked by building Tier 1 or Tier 2 and if that proves to be too early, make the unlock point Tier 3.
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IF sandbags go on Sturms, then decrease Sturm sandbag build time.
Still hard no on sandbags going to Sturms though. The unit already has too many things to do, and it also makes Volks less important.
On the topic of Ostheer, I like the idea suggested earlier that allows Grens to build trenches.
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I agree, Sandbags on Sturm Pioneers is a terrible idea.
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Mollotov's are already not very good, making m a free unlock changes almost nothing, unlike giving grens sandbags.
You still gonna get wrecked on aproach even with oorah, still is easely dogded, the mg42 still supresses near instantly largly preventing even throwing it. Hence needing a hard nerf to balance grens building their own cover.
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If it's free then at least being dog shit is somewhat justified. Paying for it and it being dog shit is just a shitty. Being forced to pay extra for AT nades to justify giving the molitovs is a bit of a slap
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Yes i agree there, but just giving grens sandbags cus other inf have them will completly shift cons grens balance fully towards grens. Making the molly free with t1 or t2 build wont do anything to counteract grens getting sandbags.
Imo fewer main lines should have sandbags not more.
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I don't disagree at all
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With grens getting sandbags, a nerf somewhere else for ost, free molly, or all together?
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