Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 10:56 AMVipper

You have claimed:
Pg where put in T0 in May 2019. As false as the earth is flat.
Pg where "megabuf" before put in T0. As false as the earth is flat.
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Care to provide any prof for you claims?


The proof is that the MOD team moved PG to to T0 you on the other hand have not provided anything to back up you own claim.

And since you are not a moderator PLS stop telling others to "shut up".

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:15 AMDarkpiatre

As long as grens remain a bad mainline infantry we can't nerf pzgrens.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 10:44 AMFire and Terror

100 mp delay will not kill Pgs i dont know where this idea came from.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:16 AMT.R. Stormjäger

5man Grens are broken OP and LMG Grens are very good.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:16 AMT.R. Stormjäger

5man Grens are broken OP and LMG Grens are very good.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:15 AMFire and Terror

ok you wanna talk power creep?

So what unit got buffed in the first 3 min to justify the PGs arriving at that point?
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Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:33 AMHannibal

I think the current perspective on PGrens is heavily scewed due to cheap Osttruppen and Ost T1 skip that frees a lot of MP to get PGrens very early.
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Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 12:40 PMVipper

I have not seen all the game of WC2020 but from what I have seen, the PG use was limited to 1 or 2 units.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 12:57 PMHannibal

So? I don't see a point.
Most people seem to complain about their timing. My reasoning was that their timing even in T0 seems to be mostly fine and people complain about them because the Osttruppen meta allows them to come very early.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 13:15 PMVipper

Yes their timing is early especially if ones skips T1, I am simply point out that contrary to OP claims they were hardly used as "mainline" infantry and they where not spammed.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 13:35 PMHannibal

Codguy did not claim PGrens to be mainline infantry at all. Neither did he say anything about spamming.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 13:35 PMHannibal

Codguy did not claim PGrens to be mainline infantry at all. Neither did he say anything about spamming.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:33 AMHannibal

I think the current perspective on PGrens is heavily scewed due to cheap Osttruppen and Ost T1 skip that frees a lot of MP to get PGrens very early.

Fixing Ost T1 might already go a long way.

That patch that everyone cites as either "pre-patch Pgrens too weak " or claim to be the alleged megabuff is 1,5 years old. We have seen a lot of other metas since then and PGrens were usually not the issue. If they were the main issue, then we should have seen this for the last one and a half years. Yet it is only recently that they are discussed about.

To me that's a clear sign that the problems lie elsewhere.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:15 AMDarkpiatre

As long as grens remain a bad mainline infantry we can't nerf pzgrens.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 14:01 PMgbem

soo since conscripts are equally bad can we have 3 minute T-70s to counter panzergrens? no? then nerf pgrens and be done with it...

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 14:20 PMDarkpiatre

*7 conscript laugh at your back*

Beside that, your biais is quite funny though.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 13:38 PMVipper

Op post:
"pretty much negates the idea that Allies have better "mainline" infantry"

That clearly implies that PG are work as ostheer mainline infatry since he is comparing them allied mainline infatry.

In order for PG to act as mainline infatry they need to be produced in numbers and be the core of the ostheer army. That is something that as far as I saw in the WC2020 was not the case.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 14:35 PMHannibal

Not necessarily. Allied mainline infantry is supposed to be better. The fact that PGrens arrive at a point were they do not have combat bonusses yet completely reverses this infantry advantage that Allies have over Axis. That's what his post says. And he still did not state anything with spamming.
I can also say a 7 minute Allied medium negates the idea of OKW having their LV power spike. Using Osttruppen negates sniper play. Blobbing MGs frontally negates the idea of infantry suppression. Does not mean that a blob is equal to an MG.

Still, this is a pretty nit picky wording discussion and has nothing to do with the actual topic.