Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:12 AMAlphrum

If/when ostruppen get nerfed, this will deal with any pgrens hitting the field too early

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 11:15 AMDarkpiatre

As long as grens remain a bad mainline infantry we can't nerf pzgrens.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 12:40 PMVipper

I have not seen all the game of WC2020 but from what I have seen, the PG use was limited to 1 or 2 units.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 14:20 PMDarkpiatre

*7 conscript laugh at your back*

Beside that, your biais is quite funny though.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:04 PMGachiGasm

This will bring VSL in 99% of the games. If VSL get nerfed, then hell I wont be surprised to see Ass.grens into T2.

Problem is not with skipping, problem is that grens overall suck ass. This is the single reason of all this BS that is happening.

Osttroopens at this point showing better combat perfomance vs UFS\UKF then grenadiers, while on paper they should be worst and cheaper.

As a raw stats bag, they are fine, in actuall gameplay they objectively suck. Input requared to make them work is just so much highter then the output you get from them, that its just pointless to chose them over litteraly any other option avaible.

Hell, I belive we even saw during one of the tournaments, Osttroppen WITH T1 build for sniper, but even in this case no grens were thrown into the mix.

But I left wondering why according to ppl like Stormjaeger, who shouts that everyone are noobs and grens (with LMG) are good option, but still in a competitive play noone bothering getting them.

Probably because Ost+T1 skip is IWIN always

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:27 PMAlphrum

but how would u go on about buffing grens without upsetting the balance even more?, it will just be power creep all over again and dont forget about volks. I personally, think Infantry sections needs to have some of ther stats reverted, volks MP/build time nerfs reverted, keep riflemen as they are (usf are more reliant on main line inf then anyone else), maybe give grens slightly less reinforce then nerf ostruppen and VSL. i think grens with lmg are pretty good, they just suck with kar98's

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:04 PMGachiGasm

But I left wondering why according to ppl like Stormjaeger, who shouts that everyone are noobs and grens (with LMG) are good option, but still in a competitive play noone bothering getting them.

Probably because Ost+T1 skip is IWIN always

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:24 PMKatitof

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So in your mind, unit can only be OP, when its spammed?
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Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:43 PMVipper

No.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:42 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Yeah people (including me) play the OP doctrines.

How is that surprising?

Just because Osttruppen, pgrens and VSL are OP doesn't make LMG Grens bad.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:45 PMGachiGasm

Grens arent starting with LMG, if they were then ppl would have picked them always. This window of playing vannila grens vs USF\UKF, is the whole deal breaker for all this "lmg grens" mambo jambo.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:24 PMKatitof

And as long as 251 arrives so early, we can't buff grens.
Checkmate.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:24 PMKatitof

Pls share your BO for 3 minute 7 man cons.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:51 PMDarkpiatre

How does the 251 reduce the amount of MP a gren section lose while traiding?

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:52 PMT.R. Stormjäger

It reinforces the Grenadier squad in the middle of the fight (can even heal it if it jumps inside) so it doesn't lose DPS from model drops and trades better vs enemy squad.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:44 PMKatitof

In such case, you should have no problems seeing how osttruppen t1 skip makes them OP for their timing.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:50 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Not really, LMGs and 5men have the same cost. LMGs even arrive earlier.

Also what's the issue with early Grens? I don't get it. Vs UKF you have a sniper, vs USF you have the mg42.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:50 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Not really, LMGs and 5men have the same cost. LMGs even arrive earlier.

Also what's the issue with early Grens? I don't get it. Vs UKF you have a sniper, vs USF you have the mg42.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:55 PMDarkpiatre

For a defensive purpose I would agree, for an offensive one it is just a deep black hole for MP.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 16:57 PMVipper

"This is factually wrong".

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 17:00 PMGachiGasm

And about sniper and so on. Thats the whole god damn point, I'm trying to make. Yes you have sniper vs UKF but you dont need grens, sniper will do all the work. You dont need grens vs USF because MG42 will be doing all the work.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 17:02 PMJibberJabberJobber

Grenadier vs Riflemen match-up is fine, the problem is once the second BAR gets into the equation.

Maybe an idea would be to give LMG/G43 Grens a 5th man once T3 (or T4) is constructed.

It would be an Osttruppen model with the RA of Grens, but a Kar98k with worse accuracy and he can't take over a G43 or LMG42. The model would also be cheaper to reinforce (like 20mp).

Now the passive T4 bonus can be removed and the vet 3 damage reduction can be reverted back to RA as well.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 17:03 PMT.R. Stormjäger

5man Grens blob + 251 is TERRIFYING

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 17:07 PMDarkpiatre

True, consider I was speaking only for the vanilla 4 man squad.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 17:02 PMJibberJabberJobber

Maybe an idea would be to give LMG/G43 Grens a 5th man once T3 (or T4) is constructed as 20 muni upgrade.