With DP28. It should give slow tank ability, but it doesn't and I don't understand why Aireborns can get DP28 for 100 ammo and no new ability.
PPSH cost 0 ammo and unblocks 3 abilities (smoke, 2 combat tactics).
DP28 cost 100 ammo, and unblock NOTHING
Is there an explication ?
Aireborn Guard are useless
14 Aug 2020, 13:46 PM
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14 Aug 2020, 14:03 PM
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The explication is that 3 DP28s are excellent in pure combat stats so they don’t get extra utility on top of that.
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14 Aug 2020, 14:14 PM
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They can get 3 vickers lmgs from brits
14 Aug 2020, 14:17 PM
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The explication is that 3 DP28s are excellent in pure combat stats so they don’t get extra utility on top of that.
PPSH with abilities are much better, and cost nothing
14 Aug 2020, 14:24 PM
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PPSH with abilities are much better, and cost nothing
If you want ppsh squad, why have you picked airborne in the first place?
DPs are excellent when they need to hold area.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Aug 2020, 14:25 PM
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If you want ppsh squad, why have you picked airborne in the first place?
DPs are excellent when they need to hold area.
If you want Guard DP28 squad I think it's better to take ISU152 with guards
14 Aug 2020, 14:27 PM
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If you want Guard DP28 squad I think it's better to take ISU152 with guards
Except, regular guards can't self heal, can't shoot their heavy weapons on the move and most importantly, that doctrine can't equip cons with strong early game weapon and regular guards are weaker vs infantry.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Aug 2020, 15:04 PM
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With DP28. It should give slow tank ability, but it doesn't and I don't understand why Aireborns can get DP28 for 100 ammo and no new ability.
PPSH cost 0 ammo and unblocks 3 abilities (smoke, 2 combat tactics).
DP28 cost 100 ammo, and unblock NOTHING
Is there an explication ?
So your theory is that Airborne Guards are useless because they do not have an ability when upgrade with 3 DPs?
14 Aug 2020, 17:16 PM
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The explication is that 3 DP28s are excellent in pure combat stats so they don’t get extra utility on top of that.
It sounds boring but this is the reason.
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14 Aug 2020, 18:30 PM
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So your theory is that Airborne Guards are useless because they do not have an ability when upgrade with 3 DPs?
Aireborn Guards with DP29 seem a bit useless.
Also in the description of DP28 they speak about tank slow ability, but in fact there isn't.
14 Aug 2020, 19:15 PM
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DP guards provide tons of firepower. They are not LMG paras, but they still do tons of damage. AFAIK their dps is slightly better to mg34 Obers. In 2v2 I generally prefer lmg guards more to PPsH one, if I have spare munies and MP ofc.
14 Aug 2020, 19:56 PM
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Yep AB guards bring something the soviet lack- a long range AI powerhouse. It's not flashy but has neat vet and works well with the commander. No change needed i feel.
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14 Aug 2020, 21:20 PM
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Great and universal infantry, one of the best.
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
15 Aug 2020, 03:07 AM
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3xDP-28 > 2xBAR
and cost was just 100MU and can be upgrade everywhere.
and cost was just 100MU and can be upgrade everywhere.
15 Aug 2020, 03:15 AM
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Honestly the 3x DP-28's for 100 munitions is kind of a bargain. The closest point of comparison is 2 Vickers K's which cost much more and do much less. Or maybe Obersoldaten, who were literally designed to be overpowered and have been nerfed several times since. So being almost as good as them is a strong feat. I could also point out that Obersoldaten's current DPS closely mimicks Vet 3 Grenadiers, so again, being able to get close to Vet 3 Grenadier DPS with a fresh squad is pretty good.
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15 Aug 2020, 04:02 AM
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PPSH with abilities are much better, and cost nothing
Not really, ab guards with ppsh are fragile only good at close and will have hard time even going against pg's. 3 dp's are better as they can sit back in cover and deal ungodly about of damage to the enemy.
15 Aug 2020, 04:08 AM
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can't shoot their heavy weapons on the move
wait what???? Is that true. I though ab guards dp28's were the same as regular guards(but they have 3). no shooting on the move. was this a change in the latest patches???
15 Aug 2020, 04:28 AM
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wait what???? Is that true. I though ab guards dp28's were the same as regular guards(but they have 3). no shooting on the move. was this a change in the latest patches???
As far as I know they've always been like this.
Tbh I'm not sure if you can ask for more for a soviet squad. 6 man squad able to self heal, fire their LMGs while moving and can call in their own (albeit mediocre) air strike plus a grenade.
Not only that, their on the move dps ratio with their lmgs is far better than paratroopers or commandos.
15 Aug 2020, 05:03 AM
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Not really, ab guards with ppsh are fragile only good at close and will have hard time even going against pg's. 3 dp's are better as they can sit back in cover and deal ungodly about of damage to the enemy.
This. Pretty much PPsH guards are extremely situational, since they have pretty mediocre RA for CQC squad. Even vet3 squad can't get near survivability of vet 0 shocks (which is equals to 0.66 against small arms). But I don't complain, since it is an option along LMG guards.
15 Aug 2020, 07:11 AM
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wait what???? Is that true. I though ab guards dp28's were the same as regular guards(but they have 3). no shooting on the move. was this a change in the latest patches???
I was talking about regular guards not being able to.
AB ones do.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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