State of OKW in the meta

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2020, 20:27 PMSerrith

Its a good trade ratio under the assumption it's successful, but there's the question of how likely is it to succeed.

Another example of a dive might be diving a USF base with a panzer 4 to snipe the ambo. You are potentially trading 120 fuel for 10 fuel, but the risk associated is much lower because the panzer 4 only needs to get one shot off, is far more durable then the kubel and that you know exactly where the ambo is at basically all times.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2020, 22:40 PMthedarkarmadillo

Even if it doesn't KILL the sniper it's going to tie up more resources than it costs defending the sniper. 210mp to make a 360mp unit take more care is a solid investment considering how much else it can do. If it got much better at sniping and he sniper it would need a cost increase, especially since both allied snipers require a bit of tech to field.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2020, 23:19 PMProtos Angelus

Even if it forces the sniper to retreat, you win. In either way getting a kubel is a clear victory over the sniper. It will force a retreat at the very least and with a bit (rank 1-1000 skill) of skill, it kills. Kubel can cap, is fast, can easily harass max range troops out of cover and bleed manpower. It fulfills multiple roles easily. It's especially good with 2x sturmpios opening on most maps in teamgames. Can't tell how many times I've fussed about a rogue kubel harassing rifles and giving sturmpios a chance to get up close and personal.

Kubel forcing a retreat from sniper is a clear win in any textbook

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2020, 23:19 PMProtos Angelus

and with a bit (rank 1-1000 skill) of skill, it kills.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2020, 23:19 PMProtos Angelus

Kubel can cap, is fast, can easily harass max range troops out of cover

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2020, 23:19 PMProtos Angelus

bleed manpower.

Jump back to quoted post26 Aug 2020, 23:19 PMProtos Angelus

Kubel

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2020, 07:03 AMachpawel

1. I'd start with truck upgrades to be available on both battlegroup and mechanized trucks. Those upgrades cost is pretty prohibitive enough (won't be built twice) but an OKW player should be able to upgrade both truck even with repair bots and healing.
2. I'd stick to the concept of "mechanized" when it comes OKW. I'd try "buffing" volks with a possibility to forfeit one weapon and get a sweeper which would be permanent (no holster) and this way make them repair and sweep. This way they could support armour more effectively. This would be in line wit the concept of OKW being "mobile" as they would increase field presence of OKW armour a bit. Volks would still probably be inferior and more expensive to UKF sappers this way.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2020, 09:47 AMSupport Sapper

Why just neft stum and make them cheaper so okw can have cheaper repair. By the mean of delay stg. If okw doesn't running around with fully assault rifle squad right from minute 0, a neft to section or event rifle's early game power lv can be done right after. Then suddenly ost will find themselves in better state.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2020, 13:24 PMSmartie

I would like to see Sander's idea of a tech split going live. It would be a tremendous help if OKW players would get cheaper access to healing and indirect fire. Other advantages of this idea: There would be no timing issues and BG ( backteching would be more attractive.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 07:08 AMSgtJonson

Retreating on Rak needs a rework. But not because it can retreat. Its because the weapon team blobs up when retreating resulting them to get wiped at a much higher chance. Dodging a grenade with a rak is way more profitable than retreating from it. Overall the retreat function is not as good as people think. You loose controll over a unit thats not moving fast enough do evade.
But thats another topic...

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 08:07 AMSerrith

There are no direct disadvantages to having it

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 09:13 AMSander93

It's part of the total package of advantages and disadvantages. Unlike other ATGs, it doesn't have a gun shield (which even if broken does offer some advantages), inferior range, slightly worse accuracy and penetration, and a worse scatter pattern due to the low gun height.

I personally think the net sum puts it on equal terms with other ATGs since the last rework, with some distinctive advantages and disadvantages that should be kept for the sake of diversity, which is something to strive for as much as possible. I don't mind the retreat function at all and I think the current version is miles better than the cheesy stealth creep (and very unreliable at actual ATG duties) version that we had before.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 09:13 AMSander93

It's part of the total package of advantages and disadvantages. Unlike other ATGs, it doesn't have a gun shield (which even if broken does offer some advantages), inferior range, slightly worse accuracy and penetration, and a worse scatter pattern due to the low gun height.

I personally think the net sum puts it on equal terms with other ATGs since the last rework, with some distinctive advantages and disadvantages that should be kept for the sake of diversity, which is something to strive for as much as possible. I don't mind the retreat function at all and I think the current version is miles better than the cheesy stealth creep (and very unreliable at actual ATG duties) version that we had before.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 09:46 AMSerrith

Oh I don't disagree. My point was that the ability to retreat in and of itself isn't a drawbacks as you can always choose not to use it.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 10:09 AMVipper

There is a slight drawback to it since it replaces reverse but it is a minor one.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 20:39 PMthedarkarmadillo

Yea... A few games back I meant to back up my rak... It backed up all right....

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2020, 20:39 PMthedarkarmadillo

Yea... A few games back I meant to back up my rak... It backed up all right....