No compensation for deleting the Ost T4 cap buff?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2020, 16:55 PMVipper

And:
Soviet where not meant to have semi-elite stock mainline infantry
USF where not meant to support from good support weapons
UKF where not meant to have snare

Problem is that there is power creep and although grenadier have received buff the "combined arms" thing does not seem to work any more since other faction can either counter it with equally effective combined arm or with sear brute force. Something that Ostheer do with PGs.

And that is why imo one should start nerfing the other factions instead of buffing Ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post4 Aug 2020, 18:02 PMmrgame2

agree. Ost is only faction much untouched while other factions got power creep.
Ost late games suck because pound for pound, it is not as cost effective
Smaller infantry size wipes easier or less holding power.
Panther is worst late game tank, poor scaling vs its cheaper counters.

Ost is only viable if you choose VSL or Assgren.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2020, 14:53 PMBetterDead ThanRed

well, OST needs armour early to compensate for average-ish INF. I supposes if OST was given the option to go 5man gren at T2? it could give OST more options in doctrine-choice

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2020, 19:35 PMCODGUY

They have really early Panzergrens. I don't see what the problem is. You could try to do a 5th man bolster for Grens and Pioneers when teching to T4 but then you'd have to increase it's cost for teching.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2020, 08:14 AMA table

Ostheer does not need 5 men grens/pio's nondoctrinally. This is never going to happen.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 09:15 AMullumulu

hmm...why exactly? Brits have nearly the same unit compilation like OST.mostly in a same/ better version.
But brits can upgrade tehir IS into obers performance. and pgrens are only good in closecombat which is very risk in the lategame and u will bleed really since they are really expansive (unlike a IS..they are too cheap to reinforce for their perfomanche)

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 11:42 AMullumulu

i dont see a big issue to follow the brits upgrade logic: invest some ressources into global upgrades > get a better sqaud for the lategame.

lets see:

whould it be OP to get 5models grens when u invest 400mp and 50 fuel from t4? no it wouldnt. (logic from brits)

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 11:42 AMullumulu

whould it be OP to get 5models grens when u invest 400mp and 50 fuel from t4? no it wouldnt. (logic from brits)

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 09:15 AMullumulu

and pgrens are only good in closecombat

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 09:15 AMullumulu

hmm...why exactly? Brits have nearly the same unit compilation like OST.mostly in a same/ better version.
But brits can upgrade tehir IS into obers performance. and pgrens are only good in closecombat which is very risk in the lategame and u will bleed really since they are really expansive (unlike a IS..they are too cheap to reinforce for their perfomanche)

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 09:24 AMA table

Giving grenadiers/Pioneers 5 men would shit on Soviets hard. And the british IS being ''op'' is a brit issue, not a ostheer issue. If you want to make grens more viable(as if they are not...), starting looking at IS.

Bottom line is that anyone that continues to argue for nondoctrinal 5men grens clearly is not capable of using them as 4 men.

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Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 19:15 PMachpawel

Mate just chill. UKF has all of these things and it is fine Why shouldn't ost have them? Oh, and I hope You will show me how to use 4 men grens. Pleas feel free to demonstrate. You could upload a replay.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2020, 19:15 PMachpawel

Mate just chill. UKF has all of these things and it is fine Why shouldn't ost have them? Oh, and I hope You will show me how to use 4 men grens. Pleas feel free to demonstrate. You could upload a replay.