Sander's personal balance changes

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2020, 17:39 PMSander93

A slight decrease to moving DPS of two surviving squad members would be a small sacrifice to receive a third G43 which would increase the firepower of a full and 3/4 model squad quite significantly. 3 Gren G43s (and one Kar 98K) would put their total DPS more in line with other semi-upgraded mainline infantry. IIRC it would give them DPS somewhere around a non upgraded to 1 BAR upgraded Riflemen squad.

Good call on the Lend Lease M5, I will add that. I'm not sure about allowing the Special Weapons halftrack to drop weapons without weapon racks tech; I thought that was a specific nerf to the unit some time ago and I assume it was for a good reason. I must admit I'm not very familiar with this unit/commander so I'm not sure what the gameplay implications of such a change would be.

• OKW emplacements: OKW has no means of reinforcing a pak43, lefh or flak emplacements that is not placed right next to battlegroup hq (unless a cooperative ostheer player helps out). In fact I don't think I have ever seen any of these reach vet 5 in competitive.
  
• Pioneer and Combat engineer shared vet: these units serve little purpose in combat after early game, especially when they are upgraded with sweepers. Pios however provide vital sight to team weapons, which should be rewarded. Sweeper repair bonus would be removed.
  
• M3 scout car shared veterancy: like kübel, unupgraded 251 ht, etc. this vehicle also struggles to gain veterancy on its own. In fact it might worth considering giving this vehicle some vet 2 or 3 ability that makes it worthwhile to keep it alive (all other scout vehicles have active or passive abilities that keep them useful in late game). I mean it gets a nice sight radius with vet, but the T70 can do that too while remaining somewhat combat viable and more durable in late game. I was thinking about giving the guards' button vehicle ability, a soft snare that can make the M3 useful after early game too.
  

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2020, 16:09 PMVipper

The change is unnecessary complicated. Simply exchange reinforcement with medic, so that the track comes with medics and has to upgrade to be able to reinforce.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2020, 16:09 PMVipper

The change is unnecessary complicated. Simply exchange reinforcement with medic, so that the track comes with medics and has to upgrade to be able to reinforce.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2020, 08:04 AMSander93

Relief Infantry
Relief Infantry is a very weak ability. It is being adjusted in order to make it more attractive to use.

• Ability no longer gives Osstruppen squads to replace losses, but instead gives a manpower bonus of ~10-15 per casualty sustained while the ability is active
  

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 06:12 AMOlekman

I've been thinking lately about ways of reworking Relief Infantry and Rapid Conscription. Turning them into Recoup Loses equivalents is a solid option (though I'm still trying to come up with something more unique to differentiate more between the factions).

I'm wondering though - why didn't you change Rapid Conscription too? In my opinion, it's equally as bad as Relief Infantry (if not even worse) and commanders that have it are not very good either, so the risk of turning them into meta-monsters is minimal.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 06:12 AMOlekman

I've been thinking lately about ways of reworking Relief Infantry and Rapid Conscription. Turning them into Recoup Loses equivalents is a solid option (though I'm still trying to come up with something more unique to differentiate more between the factions).

I'm wondering though - why didn't you change Rapid Conscription too? In my opinion, it's equally as bad as Relief Infantry (if not even worse) and commanders that have it are not very good either, so the risk of turning them into meta-monsters is minimal.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2020, 16:09 PMVipper

The change is unnecessary complicated. Simply exchange reinforcement with medic, so that the track comes with medics and has to upgrade to be able to reinforce.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 10:51 AMSander93

That would still make backteching to medics cost a (still) ridiculous 270mp/40fu and it also wouldn't solve the issue of the bad availability of indirect fire.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 11:02 AMSander93

The medic upgrade could be switched with a reinforcement upgrade, but imo the tech split (moving the vehicles and FRP into a secondary tech) is still needed to make backteching more affordable to make the faction's tech less rigid. I'm sure the average player could handle an extra button just like USF's tech upgrades.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 06:47 AMthedarkarmadillo

rapid conscription receives the exact same attention reserve infantry does in the mod.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 07:01 AMMr. Someguy

Relief Infantry and Rapid Conscription could be changed to something that lets you regroup faster, like cutting reinforcement times and cost for the duration.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 10:29 AMVipper

My suggestion is that this abilities provide a new infatry squad with target size 1 that can merge but can not reinforce.

It is also unique and does not load with unwanted squads.

In other words you get the entities back than can move to front line on their own and merge to the squad that are fighting, which perfectly describes "relief" infatry.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 11:15 AMOlekman

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I've read your suggestion in some other threads and I think it's kinda nice and thematic thematic, but a bit counter-intuitive, as the game revolves around not losing your squads. It also creates some peculiar situations - what about re-crewing abandoned team weapons with them? Will they be able to reinforce or not?

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 11:10 AMVipper

The timing/cost of faust/hmgs should be the same regardless if someone goes T1 or T2 and as long as these thing require truck set up the cost should be the same.

Battlegroup HQ

• Cost from 200mp/25fu to 100mp/5fu

• Now automatically comes with medic upgrade. Reinforcement deactivated

• Unlocks ISG

• Motorized Support upgrade added. Cost 100mp/20fu. Unlocks Uhu and 251/17

• Medics upgrade replaced by Forward Operating Base upgrade. Costs 200mp/10fu. Unlocks reinforcement and access to the Forward Retreat Point

• FRP still requires T4 teched to activate

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 13:00 PMUnit G17

It might worth considering this for USF:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/106294/give-mechanized-s-surplus-to-off-meta-commanders

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 12:50 PMSander93

The timing for fausts is already different because Mechanized is 20 fuel more expensive, delaying the HQ by about a minute minimum. I don't think faust timing is something to hold back the changes for. It might even be a nice incentive to go for Battlegroup; forfeit Luchs/Puma and get much faster fausts.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2020, 12:50 PMSander93

Conceptual renewed changes:
Battlegroup HQ

Cost from 200mp/25fu to 100mp/5fu

Now automatically comes with medic upgrade. Reinforcement deactivated

Unlocks ISG



Motorized Support upgrade added. Cost 100mp/20fu. Unlocks Uhu and 251/17



Medics upgrade replaced by Forward Operating Base upgrade. Costs 200mp/10fu. Unlocks reinforcement and access to the Forward Retreat Point

FRP still requires T4 teched to activate

Backteching to medics and indirect would now cost 170mp/20fu, which is much more comparable to other factions (150mp/50mu / 250mp / 250mp/10fu for medics). The FRP would become a bit cheaper (from 300mp to 200mp) but would now also cost some fuel.

One potential problem here is that a forward base would become quite a lot cheaper to set up, so perhaps the reinforcement/FRP upgrade should be made to require the Motorized Support upgrade. Though this would require some testing.