3-4 conscripts simply dominate early game too much for their low cost and utility.
And Conscripts are too efficient at trading early game. They also have too much customize ability and utility to just be a 240 manpower squad.
So i suggest.
Increase to 250 manpower and reinforcement cost increase which gets removed at t4 just like Ostheer.
Conscript change.
28 Jun 2020, 22:35 PM
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28 Jun 2020, 22:43 PM
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no thanks, may be a thing in 1v1 but not in 2v2 upwards
28 Jun 2020, 22:49 PM
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Conscripts are too efficient? I thought the consensus was that they bleed too much.
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28 Jun 2020, 23:03 PM
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The only forecasted change for cons is bundling molos and atnades.
28 Jun 2020, 23:05 PM
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They cost 240mp, and then an extra 80mp for molitovs and another 125mp more for at nades.
3-4 cons kitted out cost 280-270mp depending on if there are 3 or 4. Hardly cheap.
3-4 cons kitted out cost 280-270mp depending on if there are 3 or 4. Hardly cheap.
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29 Jun 2020, 00:33 AM
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Yeah try facing a good Osttruppen Ostheer player and see how well Cons do in the early game.
29 Jun 2020, 02:50 AM
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Got any replays to back that up?
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29 Jun 2020, 03:30 AM
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Posts: 479
Vanilla Cons are definitely fine, SVT upgrades probably come slightly too early and 7-man is probably still slightly too strong but the issue is Cons are awful against infantry with upgrades which is why they rely so hard on the T-70 to carry the mid-game. 7-man could probably come earlier if it was toned down a bit to compensate.
29 Jun 2020, 04:17 AM
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Stock cons do NOT "dominate" in the early game in any game mode except AI stomping.
29 Jun 2020, 04:19 AM
#11
Posts: 1954
Vanilla Cons are definitely fine, SVT upgrades probably come slightly too early and 7-man is probably still slightly too strong but the issue is Cons are awful against infantry with upgrades which is why they rely so hard on the T-70 to carry the mid-game. 7-man could probably come earlier if it was toned down a bit to compensate.
Mobilize reserves were already nerfed.
(from patch notes)
Mobilize Reserve reinforce reduction from 3 to 2; changes reinforce cost from 17 to 18
Reload cover bonus from the Mobilize Reserves has been removed.
The nerfed mobilize reserves should be free at T3 and a paid upgrade with T1 or T2.
Also, the grenade side tech costs make cons too expensive, especially if you only get a couple of them. Soviets don't get free officers like USF or free side tech like Ost and OKW. It seems like their grenade unlocks should either be much cheaper or free.
29 Jun 2020, 07:00 AM
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3-4 conscripts simply dominate early game too much for their low cost and utility.
And Conscripts are too efficient at trading early game. They also have too much customize ability and utility to just be a 240 manpower squad.
So i suggest.
Increase to 250 manpower and reinforcement cost increase which gets removed at t4 just like Ostheer.
Yeaaa, sorry, 2 volks and a kubel aren't going to beat 4 cons.
You need to do better.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
29 Jun 2020, 07:01 AM
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29 Jun 2020, 19:12 PM
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Permanently BannedCons are probably the only balanced mainline infantry in the game atm. Still no consensus on whether the 7man is in a good spot but I believe the 7man upgrade is not far off the mark.
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29 Jun 2020, 20:24 PM
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"Cons early game too efficient"
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29 Jun 2020, 22:24 PM
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Soviets get 4 conscripts because T2 openings are too expensive and T1 leaves you without hard AT. Then even with 4 of these 'dominating' conscripts, they still crutch super hard on the OP T70 to make up for the drop-off of effectiveness after the 4 minute mark when STG/LMGs/grenades start rolling out for the axis when their own upgrade is locked behind T4.
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