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T-34/76 actually has less chance to pen a JT than a P4 can a ISU. So if the chance of RNG bounces is the issue then JT/KT/Ele should get rear armor reductions too.
Cromwell is an outlier because it has an extra 10pen over the Sherman in close range. I think it should be 10f higher now the MGs were buffed.
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Yes I also agree that small arms fire should damage a Jagdtiger rear armor, 110 too high yet.
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Weren't you just in the old Jackson thread complaining Jackson armor at 120 was too high and p4/puma should never bounce it?
Why shouldn't your logic apply to T34 behind ele, KT or JT?
What thread? lmaooo
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T-34/76 actually has less chance to pen a JT than a P4 can a ISU.
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T-34/76 actually has less chance to pen a JT than a P4 can a ISU. So if the chance of RNG bounces is the issue then JT/KT/Ele should get rear armor reductions too.
Cromwell is an outlier because it has an extra 10pen over the Sherman in close range. I think it should be 10f higher now the MGs were buffed.
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It takes 30s to safe proof claims of this type.
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They are effective when a unit is very close to those infantry squads. They aren't effective far. That is often a snare region and again it puts the unit into a grater risk.
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T-34/76 has a 100% chance to pen the Elefant or Jagdtiger rear armor from close range.
The P4s have an 81% chance to pen the ISU-152's rear armor from close range.
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you've demonstrated your vast knowledge of axis once again
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At least I can admit when I'm wrong, but it doesn't help Cohstats has outdated values.
What I will demonstrate is the lack of replays proving ISU one shots in the thread. But obviously I'm number one on the personal attacks. So leave it to PM if you have a problem with me PLS
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Then a reduction of Ele/KT/JT armor is not needed
But personally I've had bounces on rear armor so maybe there are some missing values here
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At least I can admit when I'm wrong, but it doesn't help Cohstats has outdated values.
What I will demonstrate is the lack of replays proving ISU one shots in the thread. But obviously I'm number one on the personal attacks. So leave it to PM if you have a problem with me PLS
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I have a problem with you victimizing one set of factions over another by posting things that are untrue. I could care less about you as a person because it's hardly relevant.
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I think the ISU-152 could do with a rear armor nerf from 155 to 110 (same as Elefant/Jagdtiger) so that it's more vulnerable to flanking Panzer IVs. And then remove the IL-2 bombing run from the commander together with removing the Stuka Dive Bomb from Jaeger Armor.
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I don't see how the off maps are a problem.
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I could say the same about you and axis
But I wont because personal attacks are off topic, so how about you discuss the ISU?
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Because the Elefant and ISU-152 commanders are too versatile with too many powerful abilities stacked into one commander, on top of having a superheavy call in, which means there's almost no reason not to pick them. That is why Jaeger Armor and Mechanized Support are seen almost every match in 2v2-4v4. Replacing some of the top notch abilities with less powerful ones should put these commanders more in line with other commanders and open up room for more counters and different picks.
I also don't know what the IL-2 Bombing Run and SDB have to do with blobs as they are very ineffective against those anyway.
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I agree but I think it's spotting scopes that need to be removed from Jäger Armour and not Stuka Dive Bomb. Spotting scopes should have never been put in a doctrine with the Elefant and it's really time this lazy combination gets removed.Breakthrough has flares on Füssiliers which is a MUCH better design because it still allows you to get vision for the JT but it actually requires player input, positioning and a slight muni cost.
Both ISU doctrines need to lose the IL2 bombs for the obvious reason that they make the only counter to ISUs a ticking time bomb that can be deleted by clicking two buttons.
Then after this is done Jacksons need to lose some penetration so they can't just frontally take down Elefants and JTs with HVAP rounds and vet. As I repeated several times, the Jackson doesn't need 390 penetration. It's completely crazy.
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