SU-76 - A Slight Adjustment

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 11:23 AMKatitof

Or, now listen to me, just focus on actual problems of the unit, underused barrage,

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 11:23 AMKatitof

unsuitable vet1

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 11:23 AMKatitof

and survivability trouble.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 11:23 AMKatitof

I do admit, however, your commitment to spin any thread possible into nerfing just one more allied unit thread, even if the thread is about buffing underused and underperforming unit is noteworthy.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 11:27 AMMr Carmine

The barrage can be made less leathal to balance it out. As it stands no1 gets it even with the arty being stronger then a zis3.
The same can be done with the mobility vet buff,s if its vet 0 mobility gets buffed.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 12:17 PMSgtJonson

But to be honest: OST has no non-doc 60 range vehicle and people are discussing about a quite cheap tank that could then even outrange OSTs indirect fire options.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 09:05 AMVipper

Accuracy went up and penetration went down:
SU-76

The SU-76 is receiving a number of slight changes to improve its role against light and medium vehicles with only a slight reduction against heavy tanks.

Accuracy from 0.05/0.035/0.025 to 0.05/0.04/0.0375
Penetration from 200/190/180 to 180/170/160
Rotation rate from 30 to 32

Keep in mind that it also get an accuracy as a vet bonus...

The SU-76 once has decent TTK vs mediums especially once vetted and a significant range advantage while being cheaper than stug and fighting the more expensive PzIV.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2020, 22:34 PMVipper

Any reason why it should have crush human in the first place?

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 12:30 PMthedarkarmadillo

Nope, but you weren't saying to Remo e human crush you were saying the mobility buff was bad. If it is indeed possible to isolate the 2 there is no reason for human crush, but if it has it the 76 isn't going to become a new m 10 because of a few key differences including being behind tech with a t70 in it.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 12:22 PMT.R. Stormjäger

You don't need a 60range vehicle.

You have the pak40 which is excellent and has stun
You have pgrens with shreks and sprint near vehicles
You have P4s with blitz
You have StuGG with stun and excellent performance
You have the Panther which is durable and can safely dive for kills and escape

You don't need a 60range vehicle.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 13:09 PMullumulu

all this is countered easily with 60 range TDs and some AI / indirect fire...AI takes out pgrens/ AT gun and 60range TDs deal easily with ost nondoc armor

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 13:10 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Well maybe if you didn't face better players who played better then they wouldn't be getting countered.

git gud

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 13:13 PMullumulu

i counter you anything easily which can ost nodoc field with ptrs penals, mg and SU85.

satchel prevent any div in and mg deny pgrens and 60 range td wait for an attack...since su has more view range than shot range...it can easily provide nice recon

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 13:13 PMullumulu

i counter you anything easily which can ost nodoc field with ptrs penals, mg and SU85.

satchel prevent any div in and mg deny pgrens and 60 range td wait for an attack...since su has more view range than shot range...it can easily provide nice recon

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 13:19 PMT.R. Stormjäger

PTRS Penals are utter garbage
Dshkas deathloop and are super slow to retreat
SU85 can easily be flanked

Git gud

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 13:19 PMT.R. Stormjäger

PTRS Penals are utter garbage

SU85 can easily be flanked

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 14:13 PMSander93

He does kinda have a point, in teamgames Ostheer can really struggle against Allied TD and rocket arty combos because they lack a 60 range TD. Infantry based AT (Schrecks and Pak 40) usually just get annihilated by artillery. PTRS Penals obviously have no real AT DPS late game but they prevent flanks because even a full health Panther will get engine damage from the AT satchel. Not to mention Panthers simply don't work well on certain maps. Ostheer combined arms can work but it's really not as easy as you're making it out to be. It's one of the reasons the Elefant is used almost every game because it's the best thing in Ostheer's arsenal that can reliably counter Allied TDs.

I consider a 60 range TD to be one of the core faction tools (amongst indirect fire and flamethrowers) that every faction should've had by default and the fact that Ostheer doesn't have one does hurt their versatility and strength. They currently have enough to compensate (again, mostly relying on the Elefant), but it isn't ideal.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 14:21 PMT.R. Stormjäger

My point is you can fight against it if you fight properly, it's not an autowin like he presents it.

Plus you get the Elephant in teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 14:21 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Plus you get the Elephant in teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jun 2020, 16:14 PMmrgame2

as a 2v2 rank 1000 Ost player. double pak40 >> elefant. Elefant takes ages to shoot, why allies TD scared of it? something like ram + bomb = dead too.

Elefant is shit compare to ISU152, where ISU152 rear armor nerf yet?

If SU76 get buff, it is funny to see 2 of them flanking Elefant