Partisans are underpowered

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:29 PMKatitof

The point is not to make it even less appealing commander.
And 1 shreck on extremely squishy squad of 4 men that doesn't scale well and can't do any dmg to infantry at all is a fair price.
AT parsitans rifles are weapon crew level(medic squad can kill them as it has 3x more AI dps), so 100% of the price for firepower goes to shreck.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:50 PMVipper

AT weapon are superior to that of soviet crews (about x2.8 better max range).
AT Partisan also get some of the best AT vet bonuses out there like:
+10% penetration
+30% accuracy
+50% accuracy when firing from camouflage
+10% accuracy
+20% reload speed

that are a lot better than AT Storm-trooper vet bonuses.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:42 PMFire and Terror

]Ai partisans need better scaling for the lategame, and maybe a refrehsment cost reduction. There are just so many infantry sqads that simply outperform partisans. I would suggest giving the ambush bonus at vet 1 and adding some more rec acc with vet. Refresh could go down to 22-21 ish. Whats the point of an infiltration unit, that dies to vehicles and basically evrything in the axis rooster exept vet0 grens and vet0 volks? They are simply to punishing to use

At partisans are a big joke, very expensive to refresh and nearly to no impact it is a reason why no one plays OKW sturm with schreck. One is not enough. Their ambush capacities are a joke, and your better off with ptrs cons which are also considered a meme.

I actually would suggest them to be reworked in having ptrs and the con ptrs nade assoult. Since ptrs are better against vehicles and you wont be hunting tanks out in the open anyways Becouse of high cost and shit survivability (the tank mgs just murder you)

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:55 PMKatitof

1 shreck on squishy squad with no base rec acc bonus and moderate defensive vet is still worst AT squad in game

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2020, 19:05 PMDonnieChan

feel like this belongs here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkAw49mCXI

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 00:44 AMThe_Flying_Flail

Thats a 5 year old video and is no where near representative of the meta rn. What they need is either a reduced reinforcement cost or something to make them late-game viable.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 00:44 AMThe_Flying_Flail

Thats a 5 year old video and is no where near representative of the meta rn. What they need is either a reduced reinforcement cost or something to make them late-game viable.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:38 PMVipper

When you say "AI Partisans are UP" do you mean that they they are nor cost efficient or that they do not bring enough to carry the commander?

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:46 AMOsinyagov

I define cost efficiency as impact, which you get from the investment.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 09:46 AMOsinyagov

AI Partisans are cheap to call-in, on level or so with Engineers, and little bit lower than Conscripts. But their survivability and overpriced reinforce (for model with so bad stats) makes then unpleasant choice. Investments in AT-partisans or Conscripts/Penals will give more effect. In long term as well. Because one of the main core mechanics in the game - units preservation, and AI partisans barely match with it.

Survivability and overpriced reinforce is true for AT partisans as well, but it is specialist unit with unique role on the field and without any counterpart in soviet roaster. So it's save investment, because panzerschreck is always usefull, as well as AT grenade.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:30 AMVipper

It seem we use the term cost efficiency differently. For me it has to do with if what you get comes at the right price. And for me AI partisan bring at least enough for their price.

Since Partisan no longer come at 40 HP imo one should allow merge.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:57 PMStug life

please do look up partisan vet vs stormtropper vet , tell me how bad it is

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2020, 22:57 PMStug life

please do look up partisan vet vs stormtropper vet , tell me how bad it is

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:50 AMKatitof

And that's the problem with your definition of cost efficiency.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:50 AMKatitof

Initial impact is not the only thing to consider with ambush units, or units in general - long term cost efficiency also matters.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:50 AMKatitof

This is why cheap abilities can be cost effective, but cheap units we've had in the game needed tons of buffs to be cost efficient.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 10:50 AMKatitof

Just go over history of SU-76, conscripts, osttruppen and M-42 if you struggle to understand the concept of unit cost efficiency.

Jump back to quoted post19 May 2020, 11:04 AMFire and Terror

do you keep in mind that stormtroopers have much higher dps and rec acc to begin with? They actually have a role since they really schred support weapons and infantry if they get close. Nobody needs an anbush unit that costs the same to resfresh as assoult grens and looses to them.

Have you actually tried using partisans? They are litterly quite a joke and a big meme. Nobody wants partisan terminators to return but partisans ability is hands down the worst sov ability with vehicle detection