They are expensive and they are not even good at what they are supposed to do killing team weapons.
Instead they die faster than conscripts and are only 4 men squad. How are they supposed to survive>?
Then they cost 26 mp to reinforce which is extreme expensive. SO better just let them die.
And it is the main reason people dont bother with commanders that have them. So after the nerf they are now useless. This needs to be fixed asap!
Partisans are underpowered
17 May 2020, 17:39 PM
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17 May 2020, 18:02 PM
#3
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This is going to be absolutely nuts and feel wrong, but don't treat the partisans like normal troops, treat them like civilians that happen to have guns and are trying to be a pain in the enemy ass. If they are on the front you are doing things wrong. They are supposed to laying mines in your enemies rear. Getting a jump on vulnerable units. Using their camo and ambushing.
If your partisans are losing in a fight its entirely because you are not using them properly and picking your targets properly. Absolutely a L2P. they are niche, but they are not bad. We sure as shit don't want a fine but niche unit getting the "make them less niches and significantly less fine" approach * cough cough falls *cough cough* JLI
ambush units should be using their ambush capabilities primarily, not as a back up bonus. It's pivotal to their design.
If your partisans are losing in a fight its entirely because you are not using them properly and picking your targets properly. Absolutely a L2P. they are niche, but they are not bad. We sure as shit don't want a fine but niche unit getting the "make them less niches and significantly less fine" approach * cough cough falls *cough cough* JLI
ambush units should be using their ambush capabilities primarily, not as a back up bonus. It's pivotal to their design.
#stalinwept
17 May 2020, 18:17 PM
#4
Posts: 148
merge AI - AT partisans to 1 slot (rifle partisans) separate roles upgrade instead.
upgrade 1 4x ppsh (free)
upgrade 2 2x PTRS (free) Get ATnade but remove the molotov and grenade
upgrade 3 1x panzerschreck (40MU) Get ATnade but remove the molotov and grenade
replace that free slot with something else.
upgrade 1 4x ppsh (free)
upgrade 2 2x PTRS (free) Get ATnade but remove the molotov and grenade
upgrade 3 1x panzerschreck (40MU) Get ATnade but remove the molotov and grenade
replace that free slot with something else.
17 May 2020, 18:20 PM
#5
Posts: 2358
So after the nerf they are now useless. This needs to be fixed asap!
1. Powercreep of the rest of the infantry units is not a "Nerf" to partisans
2. I never thought of anyhing more prescindible than a Partisan Buff. Maybe replace them with other infantry if you really want the commander to be meta.
17 May 2020, 19:01 PM
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Posts: 3053
I actually wish they got ambush bonus at vet0 seeing as they are ambush troops and should benefit from it all the time, but other than that they're mostly fine. Super niche (borderline useless against OKW) and in a commander that's just not good enough, but they're mostly fine still. Maybe more RA bonuses with vet would be nice too?
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17 May 2020, 19:05 PM
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17 May 2020, 19:56 PM
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- Partisan squads can build PMD-6 anti-personnel mines
- Partisan squads now gain a fifth member at vet 2
This would also help
- Partisan squads now gain a fifth member at vet 2
This would also help
17 May 2020, 20:02 PM
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They are expensive...
Actually they are dirty cheap
17 May 2020, 20:06 PM
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Actually they are dirty cheap
To buy.
Not to reinforce or keep long term as they bleed hard.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 May 2020, 20:29 PM
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To buy.
Not to reinforce or keep long term as they bleed hard.
If you use them in straight up attrition fights you are simply using them wrong.
I know one that would even argue that they cheaper to reinforce than conscripts as a squad.
17 May 2020, 20:50 PM
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Doctrine needs some adjustments. Merging two partisan squads into one is good idea imo.
In general, doctrine is meh. VDV and doctrine with ML-20 + AT partisans + PPSh-41 are completely overshadow it. I wish it get reshuffle like NKVD doctrine, which became a very solid choice with saved "style" and unique abilities.
In general, doctrine is meh. VDV and doctrine with ML-20 + AT partisans + PPSh-41 are completely overshadow it. I wish it get reshuffle like NKVD doctrine, which became a very solid choice with saved "style" and unique abilities.
17 May 2020, 21:00 PM
#14
Posts: 731
At least it reinforce cost should be reduce
17 May 2020, 21:11 PM
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Doctrine needs some adjustments.
That is correct.
Imo any problems have to do more with commander and less with Partisan itself that are cost efficient. Unless one wants to redesigned the partisans.
Merging two partisan squads into one is good idea imo....
I am not sure how that would work since calling 2 separate them from ambient buildings would be difficult.
17 May 2020, 21:12 PM
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At least it reinforce cost should be reduce
Probably all SMG squad should have a discount do their reinforcement cost.
17 May 2020, 22:10 PM
#17
Posts: 5279
To buy.
Not to reinforce or keep long term as they bleed hard.
Didn't you play campaign? They are NOT Russian and thus.*gunshot in the background*
That said, I can absolutely get behind the better VET direction as well as the ambush camo change (ambush camo should be stock on units that camo ffs) but aside from That a 210mp ambush unit shouldn't be charging enemy fortified lines and winning...
#stalinwept
17 May 2020, 22:11 PM
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Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Didn't you play campaign? They are NOT Russian and thus.*gunshot in the background*
That said, I can absolutely get behind the better VET direction as well as the ambush camo change (ambush camo should be stock on units that camo ffs) but aside from That a 210mp ambush unit shouldn't be charging enemy fortified lines and winning...
I always wanted them to scale a bit better, I don't mind them being weak out of the gate, but they should have a bit more to do then be a glorified engineer that can only put down mines and hide in bushes.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 May 2020, 22:15 PM
#19
Posts: 682
merge AI - AT partisans to 1 slot (rifle partisans) separate roles upgrade instead.
upgrade 1 4x ppsh (free)
upgrade 2 2x PTRS (free) Get ATnade but remove the molotov and grenade
upgrade 3 1x panzerschreck (40MU) Get ATnade but remove the molotov and grenade
replace that free slot with something else.
cheaper shreks than the factions who can actually build them
/s
17 May 2020, 22:45 PM
#20
Posts: 148
cheaper shreks than the factions who can actually build them
currently you get instant free shrek from 280 mp unit
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