M4C is superior to Ostheer call in PzJ.
yes we all know that m4c is super strong but people dont use it because op tank destroyers exist
Gaurds Assualt Troops
13 May 2020, 11:52 AM
#21
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yes we all know that m4c is super strong but people dont use it because op tank destroyers exist
13 May 2020, 11:54 AM
#22
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yes we all know that m4c is super strong but people dont use it because op tank destroyers exist
Just as I was about to give up on you it seem you that there is hope and you might learn.
13 May 2020, 12:00 PM
#23
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Just as I was about to give up on you it seem you that there is hope and you might learn.
You always right(kappa) so no point in fighting (we dont need another nerf Jackson thread)
13 May 2020, 12:13 PM
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13 May 2020, 12:31 PM
#25
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You always right so no point in fighting (we dont need another nerf Jackson thread)
Are we talking about the pz4 that comes in the same doctrine than the Tiger Ace?
13 May 2020, 12:35 PM
#26
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It better for Ost HT group and USF Airborne and pak howitzer too
13 May 2020, 12:42 PM
#27
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Are we talking about the pz4 that comes in the same doctrine than the Tiger Ace?
double m4c are better than Tiger Ace lol
13 May 2020, 13:44 PM
#28
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Jeez guys talk about Gaurds ASS troops here! y'all went way off topic...
13 May 2020, 14:03 PM
#29
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Bofors would cuck lend lease for good.
The doctrine has 3 good ingredients: Dshka, Guards, M4C
Currently Dshka is amazing, Guards are limited and expensive, M4C is garbage
You fix the doctrine by fixing Guards and deleting the M4C from the game, not destroying the Dshka for the nerfed useless Bofors.
edit: deleting M4C is hyperbole, but you get the point.
katitof-2018
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13 May 2020, 14:11 PM
#30
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Sorry, it's garbage until the incredible moment when your strategic brilliance blobs 3 veteran M4Cs together to hunt down armour.
13 May 2020, 14:14 PM
#31
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mmmhhh no ?
have u actually looked up the unit ?
it has very good pen on both rounds, fast fire rate, good AI and 0.75 moving acc
for the soviet this is a very good tank as it does not compete with the normal Sherman
have u actually looked up the unit ?
it has very good pen on both rounds, fast fire rate, good AI and 0.75 moving acc
for the soviet this is a very good tank as it does not compete with the normal Sherman
katitof-2018
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Katitof-2018
13 May 2020, 14:15 PM
#32
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mmmhhh no ?
have u actually looked up the unit ?
it has very good pen on both rounds, fast fire rate, good AI and 0.75 moving acc
for the soviet this is a very good tank as it does not compete with the normal Sherman (?????????T34???????)
This tank is absolutely useless on the Soviet T4 roster.
You have the heavy duty TD on the SU85 and very good AT guns to keep enemy heavy armour away.
You have mobile rocket artillery that's absolutely lethal and must build.
You have mobile medium tanks that have great AI and can ram to guarantee critical tank kills.
A late game Soviet build looks like this: T70 in recon mode, 2 Zis guns, 1 SU85, 1 T34/76, 1 Katyusha. If you don't build as much infantry you have pop cap for more armour. The problem is you can't replace the 1 T34 because you rely on the ram to bring down 185-270 fuel vehicles, so your only choice is to pick lend lease, build less infantry and bring an extra M4C to the field. This however is pointless since you won't get much of a benefit from radio net. Building 3 M4Cs is not a good build.
13 May 2020, 14:22 PM
#33
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for reference it has the same AI as the normal Sherman round not the explosive which is good but not the best
has 120/130/140 pen on normal rounds (more than other medium tanks at all ranges)
and for the armor piercing rounds 165/180/225
for reference a t 34/85 has 120/140/160
+ smoke too if im not wrong
t 34 is cheap and spammable but will lose to other medium tanks a sherman can even pen a panther
btw radio net works for all vehcile u don't need 3 shermans
has 120/130/140 pen on normal rounds (more than other medium tanks at all ranges)
and for the armor piercing rounds 165/180/225
for reference a t 34/85 has 120/140/160
+ smoke too if im not wrong
t 34 is cheap and spammable but will lose to other medium tanks a sherman can even pen a panther
btw radio net works for all vehcile u don't need 3 shermans
katitof-2018
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Katitof-2018
13 May 2020, 14:30 PM
#34
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btw radio net works for all vehcile u don't need 3 shermans
You're not gonna pick a doctrine to build 1 tank that does better in a blob when you don't build a tank blob to begin with. You shouldn't have more than 1-2 mediums as Soviets, use infantry, su85 and katyusha(s).
Sure go ahead, build a blob of 3 M4Cs, have fun vs double pak40 and double StuGG.
t 34 is cheap and spammable but will lose to other medium tanks a sherman can even pen a panther
I don't need the T34 to pen anything, I need it to ram the Panther so my 2 AT guns and SU85 can convert it into molten garbage.
13 May 2020, 14:34 PM
#35
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Imo if you made the guards themselves seperate from the m3 you'd get a pretty decent unit sicne they're pretty different from shocks in that they favor mor midrange combat.
13 May 2020, 14:53 PM
#36
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but then the problem is not the the Sherman tho
....
u realize that right ?
katitof-2018
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Katitof-2018
13 May 2020, 14:54 PM
#37
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but then the problem is not the the Sherman tho
u realize that right ?
The M4C does not fit the Soviet roster whatsoever so it hinders lend lease doctrine and thus I think it should be replaced.
/discussion
13 May 2020, 14:55 PM
#38
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btw on topic if i could choose i would rework the ability
remove the truck, now u can call in stv guards than can be upgraded with zooks or Thompsons
remove the truck, now u can call in stv guards than can be upgraded with zooks or Thompsons
katitof-2018
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Katitof-2018
13 May 2020, 15:01 PM
#39
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The M4C does not fit the Soviet roster whatsoever so it hinders lend lease doctrine and thus I think it should be replaced.
/discussion
That is completely different than the "Sherman is garbage" claim that is what you originally wrote.
Anyway this thread is about Assault Guards.
13 May 2020, 15:17 PM
#40
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Anyway this thread is about Assault Guards.
*Gaurds
But yeah, it's either change the halftrack to something similar but more interesting (and since it is a Lend lease doctrine, any allied vehicle could do) or make the guards pay munitions for the thompson upgrade.
I mean on paper the M5 + ass guard has a very good price, the problem is that the M5 is not that interesting (maybe 1-2, one for AA and one for reinforcement, but any more than that is a waste).
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