Congratulations balance team

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 11:27 AMOrangePest

I didnt mean selfspot, sometimes i mix up terms, the ability for every single mainline to have extremely strong spotting range is beyond powerful because on a map like faymonvile where you're going to be hugging cover 60-80% of the time.

It means that for example i place the typical sandbag center and will see... any coming flanks from the northern front, the point left from there, meaning any flanks will be spotted almost instantly, and the flanks from the truck point. Now i'll admit this might not be 100% certainty in terms of testing, but i find that to be the case frequently and it makes for nightmares trying to push someone who's playing defensivly because he gets all the chances to prepare and move around as he wishes while you have to constantly use sightblockers, it also works excellently for units with great range like vetted up vickers (in trench) or simply giving your vickers constant max range firewithout having to expose it self or having your sections move forward that much more.

I think you are very heavily (maybe delibaretly.) underplaying the power of having your mainline infantry get amazing sight range. its partly why pathfinders are as powerful as they are, sight is a great tool. Which is why it's assinged to certain vehicles that come out early rather than later, having your tanks the ability to fire max range almost always is a great boon.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:03 PMVipper

So according to you HMG-42 has no advantage in suppression over vickers when having los, ok great to hear.

Now can you pls stop trolling?

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:11 PMEsxile

So you agree we should be removing it from pfuss as well?

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:12 PMOrangePest

With sections you're going to get 3-5 which means you have much more significant coverage.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:24 PMSander93

We shouldn't draw any conclusions after just 3 days of a new patch.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:26 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Yes we should wait until the Cohrona cup is ruined to make the most basic 5IQ change to nerf sections which everyone at high ranks has acknowledged are broken, even Noggano and Asha.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:31 PMSander93

Barely anything changed for Infantry Sections (0.05 RA out of cover and minor moving accuracy that has a relatively low influence on fights) so I doubt they suddenly became unbeatable overnight. Even if they did, it takes more than 3 days for people to potentially figure out how to beat it. First we should wait to see if the meta can evolve to deal with it. Only if it can't should we intervene.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 11:26 AMJilet

Why everyone is just comparing the costs ? It is literally hypocracy to say MGs are natural counters to blobs and "this clip" is fine.

Having 4 units spread out so they don't all get suppressed is not blobbing.

In the clip they dont even have weapon upgrades and straight up frontrally engage MGs, which is not fun.

They had grenades though. I don't know of any HMG that can hold against 4 squad rushing in to throw grenades at it.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:09 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Yeah but those are specialist squads, mainlines only have 35 sight. If Volks had 45 sight at vet 1 it would be a huge issue.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:54 PMSuperHansFan

True but what other squads do brits have with good LoS? They don't have stock pio LoS ranges on their engineers. They have no Jaegers or pathfinders doctrinally. A pyro upgraded section is as close they get.

You could lock that LoS behind a doctrine but it wouldn't really be worth a slot on its own.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:54 PMSuperHansFan

True but what other squads do brits have with good LoS? They don't have stock pio LoS ranges on their engineers. They have no Jaegers or pathfinders doctrinally. A pyro upgraded section is as close they get.

You could lock that LoS behind a doctrine but it wouldn't really be worth a slot on its own.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2020, 17:06 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Balance team: We felt that sections were undeperfoming so we buffed them.

Reality: https://clips.twitch.tv/EncouragingLongWolfYouDontSay

Target size from 0.9 to 0.85; target size in cover remains the same at 0.8

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:56 PMFire and Terror

you forget that pyro sections stack with vet 1, making them to pathfinders essentialy (non doc) while usf has to get a doctrine. So your point is basically useless

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 13:04 PMsuora

snip.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 13:07 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I posted this to show that sections were already OP and brainless in cover as a further addition to fire and terror’s point.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 12:54 PMSuperHansFan

True but what other squads do brits have with good LoS? They don't have stock pio LoS ranges on their engineers. They have no Jaegers or pathfinders doctrinally. A pyro upgraded section is as close they get.

You could lock that LoS behind a doctrine but it wouldn't really be worth a slot on its own.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 13:04 PMsuora

Which target size do they have in the clip? They're technically in cover but not from the direction of fire.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2020, 13:08 PMVipper

Stock:
Sniper 45 vet 2 54
Vickers vet 1 in garrison 40.25
Officer reckon flight vet 1
bofors vet 2 42
17p "flare" ability
AEC sight 50
UC vet 1 sight 42
Comet sight 45
Cromwell 45
FF 45

Doctrinal
valentine vet 1 45.6 with ability 60
M3 vet 3 42
M5 vet 3 45.5