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Panthers vs. TDs:
Flanking is suicide and most attempts fail
AT gun have no mobility and easily neutralized
Shreck? haha
Can someone give the Allies some captured TD?
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Panther can frontally drive into a FF from max range and win due to the latters poor DPS
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Panther can frontally drive into a FF from max range and win due to the latters poor DPS
Stop trying to rope three units as the same when they have completely different stats
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The Firefly doesn't have poor DPM against heavy vehicles because it deals more damage than the other TDs. Its TTK on a Panther is the same as the Jackson's (33s from the first shot disregarding accuracy/pen) because it needs 1 less shot to kill it. Same for 1040hp heavies, and against 400hp lights (which it kills faster than a Jackson or even an SU-85).
Once it gets vet 3 (240 damage) it actually has significantly lower TTK against a Panther than a Jackson (19s vs 25s or 22s with HVAP).
It only has lower DPM against medium tanks because it has overkill damage (until vet 3) against 640hp vehicles.
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LOL another one... u know FF have Tulip rockets?
if u drive a pather direct to FF from max range the Panther is dead
Even if panther blitzes wont help.
all TD have there special abilitys... Su has sight, FF has tulip .. well Jackson has super repair, high speed, thoughness, great dmg, high accuracy and and and.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure SU-85 has differing TTK even vs panther, you yourself point out Jackson and FF have varying performance vs different tanks due to RoF and damage differences. Yet a repeated argument by some on this forum is all three units are apparently OP for the same reasons and lumped together in their calls for nerfs.
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The SU-85 does have slightly better DPM (TTK vs Panther is ~28s from the first shot, disregarding accuracy and penetrations) but it has the obvious weakness of not having a turret against a diving Panther or other vehicles.
For what it's worth I think the Firefly is balanced (hits hard but slow reload and mediocre mobility), the SU-85 is mostly balanced (although I think the selfspotting is bad because it goes against the combined arms principle of the game, even if it has a significant drawback) except for its very high penetration, and the Jackson is slightly overperforming on purpose because it's the only real reliable late game AT for USF.
Obviously the SU-85's and Jackson's situation isn't ideal but tinkering with them will be very complex and have significant ripple effects, and that's not really something we want to touch at this point.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The SU-85 does have slightly better DPM (TTK vs Panther is ~28s from the first shot, disregarding accuracy and penetrations) but it has the obvious weakness of not having a turret against a diving Panther or other vehicles.
For what it's worth I think the Firefly is balanced (hits hard but slow reload and mediocre mobility), the SU-85 is mostly balanced (although I think the selfspotting is bad because it goes against the combined arms principle of the game, even if it has a significant drawback) except for its very high penetration, and the Jackson is slightly overperforming on purpose because it's the only real reliable late game AT for USF.
Obviously the SU-85's and Jackson's situation isn't ideal but tinkering with them will be very complex and have significant ripple effects, and that's not really something we want to touch at this point.
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Wait what???? ah ok so the best pak ... handheld double AT on every Unit.. is not enough?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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It would be, if tigers didn't existed you know.
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Glad to see that moderation acknowledge that SU-85/M36 is currently OP.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Now we're waiting for you to acknowledge that nothing will be done about it
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Now we're waiting for you to acknowledge that nothing will be done about it, because its intended because of poor alternatives.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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So that means that have you acknowledge at I have been right for 4 years now saying that they are OP and you have been wrong for t4 years now. Glad that you have finally accepted it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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A list of units this change affects:
-P4 at range above 30.
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