Panzer IV best unit ever for german
31 Jan 2020, 14:36 PM
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Literally best unit counter almost everything, dependable, cost-effective, destroy every other early game tank rush.
31 Jan 2020, 15:13 PM
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It’s also fragile vs TDs, high cost for a medium, needs vet to get extra armour and can easily be zoned out by AT and TDs.
Excellent medium and in my view a must build workhorse for Ostheer, but in no way overpowered.
Excellent medium and in my view a must build workhorse for Ostheer, but in no way overpowered.
31 Jan 2020, 15:14 PM
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It’s also fragile vs TDs
That should never be an argument for a tank.
Its like saying infantry is bad, because HMGs suppress them.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
31 Jan 2020, 15:16 PM
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That should never be an argument for a tank.
Its like saying infantry is bad, because HMGs suppress them.
Well I said it’s an excellent unit, just not perfect or the best unit ever as OP put it.
31 Jan 2020, 15:20 PM
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Well I said it’s an excellent unit, just not perfect or the best unit ever as OP put it.
I never said it was OP I just said it was a good perfect unit.
31 Jan 2020, 15:21 PM
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I never said it was OP I just said it was a good perfect unit.
Well saying “best unit ever” tends to give people the wrong impression. It kinda sounds on the OP like you’re saying it’s OP.
31 Jan 2020, 15:25 PM
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It’s also fragile vs TDs, high cost for a medium, needs vet to get extra armour and can easily be zoned out by AT and TDs.
Excellent medium and in my view a must build workhorse for Ostheer, but in no way overpowered.
Really a very strange comparison. The main role of the TD is the destruction of tanks, but we do not complain that TDs are absolutely useless against infantry.
If we talk on the topic, then I agree. Pz.4 is the best tank of tanks with a similar price. He just has OP anti infantry capabilities, good AT capabilities, an excellent first veteran ability. Plus has a strong doctrinal bonus like smoke.
31 Jan 2020, 15:29 PM
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I didn't know Panzer IV was called Tiger. Are you sure you didn't mix up the numbers? Maybe you meant Panzer VI?
31 Jan 2020, 16:01 PM
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Really a very strange comparison. The main role of the TD is the destruction of tanks, but we do not complain that TDs are absolutely useless against infantry.
If we talk on the topic, then I agree. Pz.4 is the best tank of tanks with a similar price. He just has OP anti infantry capabilities, good AT capabilities, an excellent first veteran ability. Plus has a strong doctrinal bonus like smoke.
Well he said the P4 counters everything, I demonstrated that it doesn’t.
31 Jan 2020, 16:04 PM
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Literally best unit counter almost everything, dependable, cost-effective, destroy every other early game tank rush.
PzIV loses badly to many units like the KV-1 and Churchill.
31 Jan 2020, 16:09 PM
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That should never be an argument for a tank.
Its like saying infantry is bad, because HMGs suppress them.
This theory holds little water, units performance is also related to its counter.
If one increases the penetration of the Panther to 312/299/286 IS-2 will probably become UP.
31 Jan 2020, 16:14 PM
#12
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Really a very strange comparison. The main role of the TD is the destruction of tanks, but we do not complain that TDs are absolutely useless against infantry.
If we talk on the topic, then I agree. Pz.4 is the best tank of tanks with a similar price. He just has OP anti infantry capabilities, good AT capabilities, an excellent first veteran ability. Plus has a strong doctrinal bonus like smoke.
Again I'm not saying Pz4 is OP
31 Jan 2020, 17:34 PM
#13
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Literally best unit counter almost everything, dependable, cost-effective, destroy every other early game tank rush.
And its window of opportunity ends right after there is a ATG+TD on the allied side.
Good but not definitive.
Anyways good appreciation of german engineering OP
31 Jan 2020, 18:54 PM
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i can upload a game where my p4 bounces and misses 4 shots in a row vs a cromwell and the cromwell hits, pens and drives around the p4 with 4 shots in a row and his faster turret speed
31 Jan 2020, 19:16 PM
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Player expresses a nonthreatening opinion about a unit: 
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Coh2 Fourms: YeS bUt AcTuAlLy No
31 Jan 2020, 20:17 PM
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Ost P4 is mediocre, OKW P4 is the best medium once it gains veterancy.
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31 Jan 2020, 20:28 PM
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Ost P4 is mediocre, OKW P4 is the best medium once it gains veterancy.
I have the same opinion. Even at vet 0, the slightly better scatter of OKW's P4 makes it perform much better than Ost's P4. I don't know how Cruzz calculated it, but his AoE scores feel pretty close to the truth:
M4 AP - 4,937
T34/76 - 5,589
Ost P4 - 6,32
Crom - 6,7
T34/85 - 7,713
OKW P4 - 8,436
OKW P4 vet 2 - 11,314
M4 HE - 15,561
OKW P4 vet 4 - 23,579 (lol)
These scores don't factor in reload time.
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