Winter balance (1/2020) feedback - UKF

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 13:59 PMVipper

Part of the problem. The units was moved 2.5 earlier and become available for 200 manpower less.

It simply does not need to be that strong. Imo tt should be closer Ass IS and have extra utility (anti garrison) with an incendiary grenade (VG style). Then it could become T0 unit.

That would help vs garrison and countering Ass. gren.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 14:22 PMSupport Sapper

i just did some test and find out that at vet 0, officer can barely win stumpio with just 1 model left and alway lose to pg (officer cloe in in the open). Comebine that with the test vs axis mainline, i can confidently say that the unit's power lever when out of the box is completely fine, unles you consider the fact that ukf have an limited to only 1 unit that can have a fair fight with stumpio at vet 0 is "that strong".

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 14:40 PMVipper

I provided my personal feeback and you did yours. Have little to add.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 12:52 PMblvckdream

And the UKF Officer seems incredibly OP it can charge in against vet 5 Obers from max-range and win. Wtf is this? On top of that the incredibly strong recon plane it's too much.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:44 PMSander93

Out of 16 tests (with Obers being in various degrees of cover) the Officer lost 11 times.

Obers in the open (which is the only thing that Tightrope tested) can lose even to Cavalry Riflemen charging in. That doesn't say much.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:48 PMVipper

The test was charging thru open ground again some of the highest DPS units...In addition they did not even use the light gammon bomb.

The patch takes a CP 3 units and moves to CP 0.5 while reducing the cost of getting about 200 manpower, while greatly buffing its vet bonuses.

PLS no more units with brute force add utility instead.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:48 PMVipper

In addition they did not even use the light gammon bomb.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:52 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

UKF is already drowning in utility

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:52 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

What it doesn't have is a stock CQC squad, and being a CQC squad requires them to have some actual punch, not just abilities.

They're limited to one, it's not like you can start making your army out of airlanding officers.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:53 PMSander93

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My point is that these tests are very flawed in nature and are highly indicative at best but never give a realistic picture.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:53 PMSander93

We might adjust the Officer to be a tiny bit better at vet 0 and a bit worse at vet 3 (already discussed plans for that earlier),...

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 20:50 PMUnit G17

Not sure if someone already mentioned it, but give smoke barrage to the sniper too.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 22:00 PMdistrofio

Really? What is this patch doing omg. Snipers with smoke is both, weird and prone to abuses

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 20:44 PMVipper

Not really. They have trouble vs garrison a role both the officer and the Wasp should be able to cover better. (see suggestions)


Creating a hero unit to cover the QCQ department is bad solution. If they they need help in that department Ro.E. should become better. There is no reason for unit designed to an "elite" infatry to become stock and arrive so early.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 23:06 PMLoopDloop

Pgrens say hello. IMO they should be at about that power level with some adjustment made for the fact that they come earlier. Instead they're limited to one with weapons that are only supposed to be effective with camouflage ambushes and subsequently are only effective with camouflage ambushes (read: their guns are kinda bad), but can also be upgraded with super brens from racks, which IMO should not be a thing because they may be too powerful lategame but kind of bad early game, and also weirdly limited to one. One CQC squad for an entire faction isn't really enough, especially on certain maps.

Also 35mp reinforce cost is too high. Probably should be like 32 or 34 at the most.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2020, 19:44 PMSander93

Out of 16 tests (with Obers being in various degrees of cover) the Officer lost 11 times...

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2020, 12:38 PMVipper

Problem is both with design and the performance:
Offices like artillery officer, sturm officer, JLI command, commissar arrive later and are designed more for utility and less DPS.

There is little reason for the current implementation of assault officer.