jackson armor nerf

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 16:00 PMWiderstreit

Simple make Wolverin non-doc, so Jackson can become a heavy-counter only e.g. Panthers.

Then give StuG G the option as stationary AT-option (as MaderIII in CoH1) with 62,5 range (as hull-down, the 2,5 range extra is needed so it can shoot back).

Then Jackson gets worse acc. and maybe dps so Panzer 4 performs better.
etc. etc.


CoH2 needs more non-doc options, that is one mainproblem, the Commander-System is bad.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 16:38 PMKatitof

We can then also nerf panther rate of fire and accuracy and buff its penetration, so it isn't counter-it-all tanks as well, but a heavy tank/high armor counter, StuG and JP4 will see more use, everyone will be happy!

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 16:38 PMKatitof

We can then also nerf panther rate of fire and accuracy and buff its penetration, so it isn't counter-it-all tanks as well, but a heavy tank/high armor counter, StuG and JP4 will see more use, everyone will be happy!

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 16:42 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Or just keep the rate of fire since it uses a 75mm gun not a 122mm one, and nerf its turret rotation and acceleration, as well as buff its armour and nerf its HP, so that you can easily kill it by getting behind it.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 16:38 PMKatitof

We can then also nerf panther rate of fire and accuracy and buff its penetration, so it isn't counter-it-all tanks as well, but a heavy tank/high armor counter, StuG and JP4 will see more use, everyone will be happy!

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 18:02 PMdistrofio

This is bait.

Hey Kat do you really think Panthers are a counter at all? What is it supposed to counter then? The allied players ego? Because all the tanks it counters are far cheaper that Panthers. That means below 100% cost efficiency investment. But Anything that counters Panthers is cheaper than it.

At least Jackson's are known counters because they punch above their weight cost wise and also discourage any medium maneuver, not like su85s to make it point as clear as I can.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 19:03 PMMazianni

Panther is a far harder medium tank counter than the M36, idk what you're on about.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 19:09 PMT.R. Stormjäger

If you're losing to a tank with 10 less range and 0.25 less moving accuracy, it's not a tank issue.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 19:03 PMMazianni

Panther is a far harder medium tank counter than the M36, idk what you're on about.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 19:38 PMdistrofio

Lol sure, on which scenario? Afk 1v1? Zombie brain playerbase? RNG baby rage fights?

Again, panthers are not counters of anything above their cost, hence the title counter is wrong. Some die hard allied fanboys use this term but jump between two different meanings. Cost efficient countering and actually be able to kill something countering. Sadly this logic only leads to misunderstandings, favoring those who want to disrupt an argument without answering it.

A counter is cost efficient by game design. ATG 》 Armor. HMG 》 infantry. TDs 》 tougher tanks.

A panther is not a counter, it's a superior version of medium, it's cost justifies its performance, but some allied bois don't care about that, only their precious TDs cost instead.

I was kind of right about Panthers really countering allied players ego

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2020, 19:46 PMMazianni

What is the Tiger or the Pershing if not an infantry and tank counter? Would you say that exchange is not a counter because it is cost inefficient lol

The Panther has somewhat low pen values* for what it costs, sure. I don't disagree. It is however the absolute end-all when it comes to allied medium tanks, which do not stand a snowball's chance in hell of fighting it off because of its armor and HP. If you think that's not enough, fine. Don't build it. I know for a fact though that when I build the M36 it's because I'm at a point where if a Panther (or god forbid a Tiger) shows up I'm absolutely fucked because literally nothing I have is capable of fighting it lol

*The exact same as the M36

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 19:38 PMWingZero

If Jackson is such a problem and we need to buff alternative AT options then USF either needs Sherman's "AT" rounds buff, or side upgrade (up the guns from COH1) or EZ-8 become non-doctrinal.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 21:38 PMVipper

The M36 can be nerfed without buffing anything. USF can deal with PzIV just fine.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 23:12 PMKatitof

Too bad it can't be said about PV and PVI if we exclude jackson.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 21:38 PMVipper

The M36 can be nerfed without buffing anything. USF can deal with PzIV just fine.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2020, 23:25 PMthedarkarmadillo

And yet the Jackson will still be there. Soviet will be boned by the panther and tiger if we exclude the su85 too. And the brits will certainly struggle if we exclude the firefly. The issue is the Jackson can do everything WHILE ALSO being the top of its class in every single meaningful trait. No unit should be a one size fits all and the Jackson would do well tuned as a heavy tank counter instead of an every tank counter so the various other great medium AT options can see some light. We might actually see some of the other commanders for once too!