Panzerwerfer fix

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 00:02 AMachpawel

To me Katusha is much better than werfer. Area denial is a guaranteed result of its barrage. You can deny VPs etc. If you are lucky or the opponent sloppy, you will wipe with it more than with werfer. With werfer you will waste your barrages more often. To me the required change would be shorter time between the sound and rockets hitting the closer the range.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 00:02 AMachpawel

To me Katusha is much better than werfer. Area denial is a guaranteed result of its barrage. You can deny VPs etc. If you are lucky or the opponent sloppy, you will wipe with it more than with werfer. With werfer you will waste your barrages more often. To me the required change would be shorter time between the sound and rockets hitting the closer the range.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 00:03 AMKatitof

That's because katy IS area denial weapon(this is specifically why it doesn't shoot all of its 16 rockets in continuous barrage), while pwerfer is "you no longer have this squad" alpha strike weapon.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 00:09 AMMr Carmine

Precision strike was removed from soviets mortars and katty because it garanteed wipes with no reaction time.

You want its primary barrage to be like that? And how is that not op? Ow i get it if ost can do it its fine.

With werfer you waste barrages more often but when they hit they are more devistating then the katty,s for sure. The werfer is fine, people just want an easy wipe machine for their main faction.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 17:26 PMZeroZeroNi

Make the officer non doc then we can talk.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 00:18 AMachpawel

Imo it is exactly why katusha is more useful=better (you no longer have this squad is exaggerated and requires really much better micro than from opponents' to make it work like that - same skill level it will be "you wasted your barrage again")

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 01:14 AMSkysTheLimit

Why

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2020, 22:24 PMHannibal

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Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 03:42 AMZeroZeroNi

if people are gonna argue that werfer us fine due to the officers op insta 2nd barrage. Then they should make it non doc

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 09:03 AMWiderstreit

That is true, but it depends on the rocket speed etc. could be changed. Or would you say Katjusha, Calliope and Mattress are op?

My spot is, the Panzerwerfer was the only mobile weapon-platform was able to change direct fire with mortar-mode. So, why not simply use the most logical solution? ^^

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 00:22 AMachpawel

I agree that making it fall in shorter time might make it too deadly. But then it should become more area denial toll too, rather than semi reliable (basically requiring only opponent micro to suck) to be effective. Generally, alpha strike indirect fire unit seems a bad idea (Your mortar arguments seem to confirm it), unless maybe you just make it cheaper than Katy and leave as is.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 11:01 AMthedarkarmadillo

Because it's unnecessary and people who want it to be able to tank multiple shots and remove the travel time are not interested in learning how to use it properly and changing the format of the weapon to cater to this who, again, don't want to learn how to use the current one properly adds unnecessary work and takes resources away from actually under performing units and mechanics like the entirety of the British faction.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 12:08 PMMr Carmine

I dont see a reason to make it cheaper. The katty is more vunerable. Small arms hurt a katty more then a werfer. The longer spread out barrage only adds to this. Because it needs to expose it self longer in a close range barrage. They katty has no turret or any other weapon on it.

I think the werfer is fine as is.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 09:03 AMWiderstreit

That is true, but it depends on the rocket speed etc. could be changed. Or would you say Katjusha, Calliope and Mattress are op?

My spot is, the Panzerwerfer was the only mobile weapon-platform was able to change direct fire with mortar-mode. So, why not simply use the most logical solution? ^^

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 00:03 AMKatitof

pwerfer is "you no longer have this squad" alpha strike weapon.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 13:47 PMachpawel

IMO talking about durability here makes little sense. Both are very voulnerable. Of course it could account for like 10-20 manpower. The real difference is the fact that a short range Katty barrage is really deadly and lands rockets very quickly, it also denies the area. Katty's price should be higher because of it. Definitely a werfer shouldn't be more expensive.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2020, 03:42 AMZeroZeroNi

if people are gonna argue that werfer us fine due to the officers op insta 2nd barrage. Then they should make it non doc