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I love this kind of threads.
"simple meta fixes"
-proceeds with a list of stuff that flips everything upside down
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Panther (if we consider this a TD) ... should be exempt from this nerf.
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Atleast it's constructive and people put actual thought into it.
I much rather see these treads over X unit/X commander/X faction is OP and then leaving it at that.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Why wouldn't Panther recieve that nerf? If the concern is that TDs shut down medium play (as to why SHOULDN'T 140+ fuel AT only vehicles be good against tanks is beyond me) then the Panther, which does the same to allied mediums, should be included.
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The Panther should get 60 range, cost up to 210 and decreased acceleration. Decrease turret rotation and revert the HP buff while giving it half the armour back.
That way positioning matters above all for Panthers, they are expensive because they are good and their lack of acceleration means counterplay is easier with flanking. Good armour and mediocre HP means you can easily kill a Panther by flanking it, plus its higher cost means it’ll be less supported, so you can’t yolo a panther and have it survive. Its slower turret rotation contributes to all that.
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The Panther should get 60 range, cost up to 210 and decreased acceleration. Decrease turret rotation and revert the HP buff while giving it half the armour back.
That way positioning matters above all for Panthers, they are expensive because they are good and their lack of acceleration means counterplay is easier with flanking. Good armour and mediocre HP means you can easily kill a Panther by flanking it, plus its higher cost means it’ll be less supported, so you can’t yolo a panther and have it survive. Its slower turret rotation contributes to all that.
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The Panther should get 60 range, cost up to 210 and decreased acceleration. Decrease turret rotation and revert the HP buff while giving it half the armour back.
That way positioning matters above all for Panthers, they are expensive because they are good and their lack of acceleration means counterplay is easier with flanking. Good armour and mediocre HP means you can easily kill a Panther by flanking it, plus its higher cost means it’ll be less supported, so you can’t yolo a panther and have it survive. Its slower turret rotation contributes to all that.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Every game I have seen with Allied TDs dominating axis tanks has been the same. It's always been:
- axis never flanking
- axis forgetting blitz exists
- axis forgetting that shot blockers exist to hide their armor behind and taking free damage all the time
- axis forgetting that they have cheap Stugs and 60 range JP4s who can go head to head with allied and instead rely on heavies with P4s only.
Etc.
I can't remember ever having watched a game where I didn't think "he would have won if he just did not make X/Y/Z mistake with his armor play."
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Soooo an axis firefly?
OST version of FF, but with armor? Not only acceleration, but reduce overall mobility as well, to be in par with other TD and of course no blietzkrieg (replace other ability, stun shot or something else). You will get more armored and healthy 60 range TD than enemies variants have. It could work, but need overal rework of allied top-tier TD.
What role wiil be play JP4 for OKW in that case? IT already have 60 range and could deal with any allied stock unit (only churchill could make problems due hp pool).
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Isn’t the FF supposed to be the best designed TD? Working on similar principles should yield a good result.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Not according to me.
I'm casemate TD team.
FF is not bad, but it certainly is not a good designed TD for the fact how it deals damage alone(bursts, muni heavy if you want to finish what you started, requires pretty much 100% accuracy to be reliable at all).
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Well which role is best for the Panther then?
Expensive Sniper, weak to flanking
Expensive hunter/diver, weak to flanking
Current version which is underwhelming at everything
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Well which role is best for the Panther then?
Expensive Sniper, weak to flanking
Expensive hunter/diver, weak to flanking
Current version which is underwhelming at everything
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The current Panther clobbers every medium in the game. It's not cost-efficient versus TDs, but the StuG and JPIV are.
The problem is heavy tanks.
The problem is always heavy tanks.
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So what exactly is the Panther so good at? Which role does the current version excel at?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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WTF?
So you say that the tank play should be this:
allied sit back and fire with 60TD in the backline... if a heavy target apears hit one button and pen every tank... and against rushes they just drive with hight speed backwards and fire with super acc...
Axsis HAVE to flank, blitz, smoke, use combiend arms ... and so on to just stay in the game.
Sounds fair to me
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Murdering anything that costs less then it and isn't its own dedicated hardcounter.
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That’s not a role, that’s the basis of tank combat. P4 beats T34/76 because it costs more but loses to T34/85 because it costs less. Panther beats T34/85 because it costs more but loses to IS2 because it costs less.
A role is different. The FF has a role, as an immobile sniper that’s vulnerable when assaulted directly. The T34/76 has a role as a flank protector, flanker and sacrificial piece with ram. The Tiger has a role as a breakthrough tank with limited mobility that needs support to excel.
The Panther doesn’t have a role other than brawling with mediums and softcountering heavies.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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