Give USF an intermediate AT

Jump back to quoted post7 Nov 2019, 23:11 PMLago

I think reworking the Stuart is the way to go. It's a really odd unit that utterly dumpsters T2 Ostheer but is pretty much useless against anything bigger.

Making it fill a niche like the SU-76 (good against mediums in pairs or with a Sherman, doesn't utterly dumpster LVs) would then give you some space to specialise the Jackson.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 00:06 AMthedarkarmadillo

Not sure how you can make the Stuart a medium counter tho. Both the su76 and Puma out range to make up for the lack of durability. I don't see how to make the stewie able to fill the role without a huge redesign that could consume its identity

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 00:21 AMLago

The Stuart's identity was consumed long ago: it's now a bad AEC with high armour and janky maneuverability.

As for how you'd rework it? Make it more like the AEC: slash the armour, improve the gun, give it some new, less janky abilities.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 00:06 AMthedarkarmadillo

Not sure how you can make the Stuart a medium counter tho. Both the su76 and Puma out range to make up for the lack of durability. I don't see how to make the stewie able to fill the role without a huge redesign that could consume its identity

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 01:46 AMT.R. Stormjäger

Stuart shouldn’t be a medium counter.

Buff up the AAHT’s pen a bit and stick it in LT tier. Perfect AT for LT.
Nerf the Stuart’s AT to the ground, give it sight mode, vehicle capping and HE shells then stick it in Captain tier as the perfect T70 clone but without the OPness. The tier has AT guns.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 01:42 AMthedarkarmadillo

Yea but even the AEC isn't really the intermediate AT THE OP is looking for. It's not particularly viable to be your main medium AT. Support sure, but not something like the puma or su76 or even stug. That's what I'm getting at.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 01:42 AMthedarkarmadillo

Yea but even the AEC isn't really the intermediate AT THE OP is looking for. It's not particularly viable to be your main medium AT. Support sure, but not something like the puma or su76 or even stug. That's what I'm getting at.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 11:52 AMLago

The AEC and the Puma are pretty close to being the same unit.

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 12:02 PMKatitof

There is slight difference - Puma can reliably fight meds despite low pen, while AEC can help against them, but certainly can't fight them off by itself despite better long range pen.

They are same archetype, but their performance and potential differs massively.
AEC is better support for and against infantry, while Puma is actually a light tank destroyer

Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2019, 12:13 PMLago

The Puma can't really reliably defeat medium tanks by itself without a lot of veterancy. But they've both got the firepower to penetrate a medium and, in pairs or with ATG support, can win that fight. They're enough of a threat that a medium has to respect them.

The Stuart, despite ostensibly being an AT unit, is pretty much helpless. The best it can do is blow a load of munitions on Shell Shock and run away.

If the AEC and the Stuart were in the same tier, I don't think you'd ever see Stuarts.