1. If jackson gets price and pop reduction after getting locked behind sidegrade, than TD spam will be even more of an issue in team games.
2. If jackson gets locked behind sidegrade than why should anyone pick any different doctrine than heavy cav?
3. If jackson gets locked behind sidegrade than okw panther should too. Its even more of an issue.
Give USF an intermediate AT
7 Nov 2019, 09:00 AM
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7 Nov 2019, 09:01 AM
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1. If jackson gets price and pop reduction after getting locked behind sidegrade, than TD spam will be even more of an issue in team games.
2. If jackson gets locked behind sidegrade than why should anyone pick any different doctrine than heavy cav?
3rd option, absolutely nothing will change and it'll just arrive a bit later, just like wehraboos completely ignore their intermediate AT vehicles and tunnelvision on panther, having raging wehraboos back to forums, crying their eyes out.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Nov 2019, 09:20 AM
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Soviet weeps in their fully teched corner..
But also perhaps a tech locked Jackson wouldn't be so bad. It could be coupled with a price and pop reduction at the same time and if it's delayed there wouldn't be as much need to neuter its medium performance (should still be lowered tho).
What's more, if it is moved to later, medium counters can be improved as well to help bridge the gap... It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing on the whole.
I didn't mention Soviet because their tech system make it comes sooner in some cases for not so powerful units (T34-76), its difficult to define it and compare it to other tiering system. You can't really rely exclusively on Soviet T3 to win a game (outside of doctrinal options)
Jackson behind paywall is more like KT or Panther/brumbar or Churchill/Comet, but all of them comes as additional values with various advantages.
Jackson + Calliope behind paywall is more in line with how factions work or Jackson + Bulldozer behind paywall. There is a value to get behind the paywall other than I must because there is a panther on the field.
7 Nov 2019, 12:29 PM
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3rd option, absolutely nothing will change and it'll just arrive a bit later, just like wehraboos completely ignore their intermediate AT vehicles and tunnelvision on panther, having raging wehraboos back to forums, crying their eyes out.
I don't recall anyone complaining about the lack of 150-250 penetration intermediate AT in the wehrmacht.
7 Nov 2019, 12:31 PM
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I don't recall anyone complaining about the lack of 150-250 penetration intermediate AT in the wehrmacht.
How did you made it so all threads with "stug" word in name are invisible for you?
How do you not know who imperial dane is?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Nov 2019, 12:36 PM
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How did you made it so all threads with "stug" word in name are invisible for you?
How do you not know who imperial dane is?
Your post was about wehraboos ignoring the fact they have intermediate AT and thinking they can only rely on the panther. If someone is complaining about the performance of an intermediate AT unit, they are obviously not ignoring it.
7 Nov 2019, 12:37 PM
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Your post was about wehraboos ignoring the fact they have intermediate AT and thinking they can only rely on the panther. If someone is complaining about the performance of an intermediate AT unit, they are obviously not ignoring it.
They do both.
Whine about it all the time and ignore it even in situations when its clearly superior option.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Nov 2019, 12:52 PM
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They do both.
Whine about it all the time and ignore it even in situations when its clearly superior option.
If you are referring to in game situations, nobody(not even the best of players) chooses the perfect unit for every situation every single time.
If what you meant was that people ignore the fact that the stug, pak and shreks exist and view the panther as ostheers only AT option, then I still standby what I said before-I don't see it.
I will agree that anything that can be complained about has been complained about both axis and allies.
I also agree with the OP in that USF could use a unit that functions in the penetration category listed with a compensating nerf that makes the Jackson a less universal anti vehicle option.
7 Nov 2019, 12:55 PM
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One solution that might work is making HVAP shells the default and only Jackson firing mode, thus making it an ultra powerful anti-heavy TD but with a rof that won’t tear mediums apart. Then the M10 could get a slight pen buff and be put in the Major tier.
7 Nov 2019, 13:11 PM
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... wehraboos completely ignore their intermediate AT vehicles and tunnelvision on panther ...
How did you made it so all threads with "stug" word in name are invisible for you?
How do you not know who imperial dane is?
Kinda picked a bad example there. Dane finds the Stug amazing and T4 / Panther unviable, so the other way around.
7 Nov 2019, 13:14 PM
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Can we leave this game as it is now? Creating new problems and new rework threads like this is just annoying. Like vipper who thinks major and off map is not cool but elefant with recon and stuka its ok somehow "balanced" double standards? This is proof that people just desperate looking for something to "balance" to keep this forum alife. ambulance rework when?
7 Nov 2019, 14:26 PM
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Can we leave this game as it is now? Creating new problems and new rework threads like this is just annoying. Like vipper who thinks major and off map is not cool but elefant with recon and stuka its ok somehow "balanced" double standards? This is proof that people just desperate looking for something to "balance" to keep this forum alife. ambulance rework when?
+1
7 Nov 2019, 14:26 PM
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What if we split Major like the other two tiers?
Then you could have the M10 and the M8 Scott in the first half, and the M4 and the M36 in the second half?
Then you could have the M10 and the M8 Scott in the first half, and the M4 and the M36 in the second half?
7 Nov 2019, 14:27 PM
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What if we split Major like the other two tiers?
Then you could have the M10 and the M8 Scott in the first half, and the M4 and the M36 in the second half?
Great way to get 3CP Paratroopers too early/too late.
7 Nov 2019, 14:28 PM
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Great way to get 3CP Paratroopers too early/too late.
I don't follow.
7 Nov 2019, 14:30 PM
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Nov 2019, 14:32 PM
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Teching awards CPs.
Stick the Major's CPs on the second half if that's a problem. Then you haven't adjusted the CP rate at all.
7 Nov 2019, 14:53 PM
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Stick the Major's CPs on the second half if that's a problem. Then you haven't adjusted the CP rate at all.
Let’s see why all this is a horrible idea.
1) Earlier Scott
2) AI will again have a stroke while you’re facing it and won’t be able to tech up, same thing with okw AI rn.
3) M10&Scott combo will have plenty of AT and AI, allowing you to close out a game way faster with a big fuel advantage and avoid teching costs, which is why Cmd Panther got nerfed in the first place.
7 Nov 2019, 15:26 PM
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Let’s see why all this is a horrible idea.
1) Earlier Scott
2) AI will again have a stroke while you’re facing it and won’t be able to tech up, same thing with okw AI rn.
3) M10&Scott combo will have plenty of AT and AI, allowing you to close out a game way faster with a big fuel advantage and avoid teching costs, which is why Cmd Panther got nerfed in the first place.
The Command Panther was tied to tech because it allowed you to completely skip 300 MP 135 FU of teching costs.
How much earlier the M10 and Scott hit depends on how you split that 120 FU. It doesn't have to be 60/60.
If M8s and M10s are enough to carry a game themselves, why does USF need the Jackson in the first place?
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