Thoughts on World Championship 2019 so far?

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 18:24 PMHon3ynuts

It would be easier to make grens build from base and see what 80 extra manpower but no faust grens look like
I don't think it's coincidence that Ostheer is, for the most part, only faction which is spending manpower on tech at the start of the game. Especially considering what like 40-60 mp differences in the OKW opening did to USF vs OKW balance

They did just change gren vet 3 last patch

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 18:34 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I’d keep the core of Ostheer as a support weapon faction.

I’d make the mg42 300mp but slightly faster deploy/pack up and better tracking, then I’d make the mortar faster in tracking targets and moving left/right to aim.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 15:32 PMStug life

Bug splat op , tightrope can confirm

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 18:24 PMHon3ynuts

It would be easier to make grens build from base and see what 80 extra manpower but no faust grens look like
I don't think it's coincidence that Ostheer is, for the most part, only faction which is spending manpower on tech at the start of the game. Especially considering what like 40-60 mp differences in the OKW opening did to USF vs OKW balance

They did just change gren vet 3 last patch

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 18:34 PMT.R. Stormjäger

I’d keep the core of Ostheer as a support weapon faction.

I’d make the mg42 300mp but slightly faster deploy/pack up and better tracking, then I’d make the mortar faster in tracking targets and moving left/right to aim.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 19:20 PMachpawel

Another option would be to just make them more expensive and simply better (high time for 5 men maybe?) leaving them where they are (only because tier 1 building would have only mortar and sniper if they were in tier 0).

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 21:12 PMHon3ynuts

I think both of those changes are more interesting, But I think the problem ostheer has is they cap slower so it's tougher to take advantage of the map to get manpower efficient engagements and tougher to get fast tech.
Skipping t1 resolves both of these problems but locks you into some kind of doctrine early or leaves you with a weird mg heavy army.

When they had the Puma to catch-up in the light vehicle game this mattered less and Ostheer was a stronger pick as you had a way to make up for the early weakness if necessary. When you are relying on the 222 as your light vehicle counter it's nothing to get excited for.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 21:21 PMT.R. Stormjäger

That is indeed an issue. A possible solution would be to give them an extra 50mp at the start and add it to the cost of BP1.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 22:16 PMVipper

Or we can stop buffing everything use Ostheer as a benchmark and bring other factions down to Ostheer levels...

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 15:05 PMHon3ynuts

Soviets, USF, Ostheer and OKW all seem Viable, brits I didn't see enough of yet.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 21:12 PMHon3ynuts

But I think the problem ostheer has is they cap slower so it's tougher to take advantage of the map to get manpower efficient engagements and tougher to get fast tech.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 21:12 PMHon3ynuts

Skipping t1 resolves both of these problems but locks you into some kind of doctrine early or leaves you with a weird mg heavy army.

When they had the Puma to catch-up in the light vehicle game this mattered less and Ostheer was a stronger pick as you had a way to make up for the early weakness if necessary. When you are relying on the 222 as your light vehicle counter it's nothing to get excited for.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 22:48 PMWhiteFlash

honestly balance seems reasonably solid

+1

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 15:41 PMddd

I was watching multiple streams during tournament and every usf game was lost except voivans games. And despite all the crying on this forum, ostheer was picked very often with great results, there were even underdog stories like bulat vs noggano. Ofc noggano lost with usf against ost.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2019, 15:04 PMddd

Ostheer: 80% winrate

USF: 10% winrate

I think ostheer needs some heavy nerfs, panzergrenadiers need to be delayed and ability to skip tech structures removed. Their units got buffed to ridiculous level, there is no excuse to keep tech skipping anymore.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2019, 18:34 PMmrgame2

Any more comments?

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2019, 19:31 PMJibberJabberJobber

Yes, can you please stop posting and just enjoy the matches.

Discussion can come afterwards.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2019, 18:34 PMmrgame2

I just watch some games, hans lunvest vonivan ties.

Allies seems to dominate! Especially Usf.

Time to nerf bat them some!

Any more comments?

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2019, 19:46 PMLago

You are aware that, if you did get your wishlist of nerfs, you wouldn't win any more games?

The matchmaker will just give you stronger opponents to make up the balance deficit.

Your ranks won't go up either, because you're ranked against other people playing Ostheer and they'd all gain the same 'advantage' too.

Faction vs faction balance only really makes a difference in tournaments and at the extreme ends of the ladder. Outside of them, the main goal of balance patches is strategic diversity.

Jump back to quoted post9 Nov 2019, 19:46 PMLago

You are aware that, if you did get your wishlist of nerfs, you wouldn't win any more games?

The matchmaker will just give you stronger opponents to make up the balance deficit.

Your ranks won't go up either, because you're ranked against other people playing Ostheer and they'd all gain the same 'advantage' too.

Faction vs faction balance only really makes a difference in tournaments and at the extreme ends of the ladder. Outside of them, the main goal of balance patches is strategic diversity.