Molotov Suggestion

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Idea I had for the molotov was to make it so that there are 2 thrown, one is thrown instantly like the USF Urban Tactics Firebomb and creates flames on the ground, while the other retains the long windup but does damage 40 flame damage on impact for units that haven't moved yet. This way the molotov has a much quicker effect, and you have the option of waiting for extra damage to come out.

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Would you require 2 models for the full effect? So 2 models would put away their weapons and grab a bottle? What about the throw speed boost at vet 2? Would that stay?

Sounds like a large change in my head with a lot of repercussions that would probably require extensive testing.

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22 Oct 2019, 04:42 AMShadowLinkX37

Would you require 2 models for the full effect? So 2 models would put away their weapons and grab a bottle? What about the throw speed boost at vet 2? Would that stay?

Sounds like a large change in my head with a lot of repercussions that would probably require extensive testing.

I forgot about the speed increase at Vet 2 to be honest, but yeah the idea is that 2 men move throw, one quick and one slow. You have the option of waiting for both or just letting the first one go. Since waiting for a molotov to come out feels punishing, the idea was to take that punishment and turn it into a reward of sorts, but still not punish you for moving if you have to. It's an odd idea for but it seems interesting enough to share. 40 damage might be a bit high though now that I think about it, anyone still standing there would have taken AOE damage and 40 might be lethal.

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Imo mainline infantry should not have access to incendiary weapons they should be reserved for socialized anti garrison infatry....

In addition DOT should have damage all in hold set to true.

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The best change for Molotov is to replace him with a grenade. This will improve the unit and give an incentive to use it.

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22 Oct 2019, 09:45 AMVipper

Imo mainline infantry should not have access to incendiary weapons they should be reserved for socialized anti garrison infatry...

It was too late for that in 2013.

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Molotov fits the theme of cheap conscripts that have to fill in where they are needed. However there's not much reason beside that to give them molotovs, especially since SOV can upgrade flamethrowers.

Early anti garrison can cause problems especially for OST that relies on MGs in the early game, but for conscripts there is currently an okayish kind of balance by having the long throw animation that negates an otherwise good ability.

But to make it short: Nice idea from OP, but I think it's too complicated with quite a few potential drawbacks

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I would honestly just make the ability 5 mun cheaper and call it a day.

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no need change

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Just give it the same wind up time as the American petrol bomb. The Molotov being as slow as it is compared to the OKW incendiary grenade, USA petrol bomb and the Brit white phospherus grenade is ridiculous.