Profile of GachiGasm

but they are not supposed to. in t1, players will have access to both and gain nothing from using exlusivly ostroppen (where now they gain 10 fuel towards faster pgrens) meaning they are more apt to be alongside grens, who are better combatants- there is room for both.

Thats is the point. Osttropens showing better combat results then grenadiers against both rifles\tommies. You gain nothing by having grenadiers mixed with osttropens. Grenadiers provide you nothing, but riflenade over osttropens, and later on LMG, but you already have T2 units near so whats the point.

Even during tournaments, we saw ostts+ sniper, and grenadiers were never thrown into the mix. With ostts in T1 we will only see more ostts + sniper combos. Thats a sad reality.

While indeed ostts were used as a fast capping and T1 skipping unit, its not their main selling point.

How do I put it out to you...
The goal of this patch is addressing as much core army problems as possible.
Grens were addressed by changing formation only, because that is all they need, because they are fine and just because couple of Meinstein worshippers and grenblob scrublords do not agree is not going to change the fact that grens are perfectly fine and balance infantry that does all it needs to do for its lowest of all mainline inf price.

My advise to you, instead of imagining and finding ways to put yourself in a right position, when you are clearly not, just don't speak for people, by saying that something is considered by them, especially developers.

And second advise. Churchill was fine for you aswell, as a damage sponge bla bla still got rear armor nerf. So no matter how you try spreading your propaganda that something got X because of Y or nothing, it's still your personal imho not an objective fact.

They are considered fine by balance team.

While I not always agree with them, I'd take their word for it over someone who thinks ost can be played like USF against USF.

No-one of the balance team said they are fine. The only thing they said since all this patching started, is that its hard to change grens, because cons vs grens match up will be most likely broken.

At best they said that they are "alright" at best. If I'm wrong here, please provide quite where its stated that grens are considered fine and balanced.

IS also get +5? if upgraded with arty smoke.

OKW OP plz nerf. You all are wehrboos, and you all need L2P. Did I say that KT is non doc heavy?

True, but the only reason they were a replacement for grens is the fact that they were OP. I mean, their reinforce cost is 16.

This is common misrepresentation, that if something is used 99% of the time its automatically OP.

WC was OP objectively. VSL was OP objectively.

Osttroopens used not because they are OP, but because they are better then grens.

One can care less that osttroopen are 16 to reinforce, if they cant do shit. But they can. Osttroopen combat perfomance is better then grenadiers across the board. They are better vs all other mainlines, then grens. Hell, osttroopens requare less support and less babysitting the grens, think about it.

Grens have upper hand when they get LMGs, but at the same time by the time they get LMGs Ost can have PGs\222\251 on the field, so there is more then enouth firepower to support ostts and this lack of grens LMG wont be feelable. And the LMG window of opportunity and possible late game fire power are two things where grens are better then ostts, in other departments ostts are better hands down.

In late game ostts are worst then vet 3 LMG grens, but at the same time in late game there is so much shit happening that survivability and field presence is >>> then raw firepower. And ostts are supperior then grens in this regard aswell.

No matter what changes dev team brings to ostts (unless locking them behind CP) they are always will be better chose over grens, if grens arent changed.

In 3v3 and 4v4 ostts are meh, and always were meh before or after the change. In 1v1 and 2v2, ostts strats are weaker now, but still much stronger then grens strats. Meta will be the same, just a bit harder to pull off.