Well im wondering how there can be such a long thread about a commander which so fucking imbalanced that i would like to go relic and set the whole studio on fire. Despite all the other stupid balance issues (why does a KV8 more dmg than a flamer HT???) this commander is nothing but a joke. To explain my thoughts:
I played vs a teammate which i won several times against. He chose Cholodny farms and this stupid commander. I opened up with 2 Grens, 1 MG, 1 Gren and a mortar. And got nailed at the wall. After that we played that match again and i tried to counter that "strategy" (well ofc it isnt a strategy it is only a commander for people which are too stupid to play). So this time i opened up with a gren and then 2 mg´s, a mortar another mg deperetly trien to hold anything of the map. I teched up to tier2 and played panzergrens because ofc u wont gent any resources. He just spamed 10 squads of consripts. he gave a shit to the mg´s cause even when e got slow down the cons have still enough time to crawl close enough to throw their molotovs (in return one of my panzergrens threw a bundle nate at stolen mg and killed exactly 1 guy). In the end i build a p4 and a Schrecksquad knowing that even one T34/85 is stronger than a P4. Well he simply rushed over me with a shit tone of tanks and doesnt give a shit about my anti tank weapons. In the end he told me that he lost 8 squads during the mats but that means nothing to him becuase everything is so fucking cheap! And the best thing ofc is that u only have to wait until u have enough cp´s cause u dont need to build a single building and have plenty of fuel even if your opponent attacks your cut off all the time (what i did)
But well it is a common secret that this game is maybe the most imbalanced rts ever in history.
2 things.
If he have as you claim, 10 squads and you have only 5-6, this is your fault for not responding to the enemy. It sure is a 100% loss if you CHOOSE to have only HALF of the infantry menpower on the field compared to opponent.
And 2nd, you would loose exactly the same way to any other doctrine with ppsh(even conscript support tactics) if your opponent went T1T4, so its not this doctrine fault, its you making basic mistakes and getting pushed off the map.
If he had shit ton of tanks and didn't gave a shit about your AT, that means you were dominated to allow him all the fuel and your AT was probably a single PaK against couple of tanks. |
what makes the is2 only good vs tanks while the tiger is great?
people completely blow the is2s slower RoF out of proportion. its main gun does 26 dps per second, compared to the tigers 30.5. the fact it does 50% more damage per shot almost completely offsets its slower RoF, and is actually an advantage if you take a single shot, then reverse away.
combine that with 170 pen compared to the tigers 154, 325 front armor compared to 300, and 4.5 max speed compared to 3.9, and i would say the is2 is great against tanks as well.
RoF(more chances at penetrating thick targets) and difference in armor and health of vehicles they both have to go against.
Its rather obvious that Tiger will have easier time against T34 and SU-85(if gets in range) then IS-2 against P4s(especially vet2, which IS-2 can bounce off) and Panthers.
This is why looking at their own stats alone doesn't give the whole picture.
And I'd take extra 320hp over 25armor any day without second though. Tiny RNG survival bonus vs 2 extra shots after all.
All of that doesn't make Tiger WTFPWN armor compared to IS-2, but it gives it enough of an edge to call it better AT then IS-2. |
Kaitof.. Do you play Germans? The Brummbar is awful. I have never, EVER, EVER seen it squad wipe a Soviet squad. Actually most of the time it kills 1-2 models. Its turretless so can be circle strafed by t384s or t34/85s. And it takes FOREVER to vet the damn thing. It is not viable in a 1v1 game where the opponents are evenly matched. Your better off getting a wurfer then a Panther. Wurfer squad wipes like crazy and gets vetted pretty quickly.
As for the Is2, I think its fine the way it is. Its not so much its squad wipe ability then it is the stupid German AI infantry bunching up when approaching it.
Yes I do, and if you base brummbars performance on squad wipe potential, then you're up for a disappointment, it will not wipe anything unless squad is bunched up(however it will from time to time), but it will almost always get at least 2 kills with every shot due to perfect accuracy.
Being turretless have nothing to do with anything, because if you went for T4, you should already have heavy T2 AT backup on the field.
And about not being 1v1 viable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYhCnJHRvIo&list=UUyUcNdOxXcVt3o9eZKdza9w
If that is not being viable against skilled opponent, then nothing will please you. |
I say it again, if your IS2 don't squad wipe and get pwned like medium tank, it is your fault.
There is almost no scatter with IS2 (while it is stopped), and the AOE totally able to one shot a full health squad or a Pak40. But Brummbar, the scatter is damn too high (even it stopped), and the AOE is small like hell.
For me, Brummbar is overpriced and under performed. It is just better to get a werfer and mortar doing a better job.
God, I haven't seen that much ignorance in ages.
Brummbar got scatter value of ONE. Its moving scatter is TWO. It is single most accurate vehicle in game, you can blame bad luck RNG if you do not kill anything with a shot.
IS-2 got better AoE(mainly because of better initial damage), but larger scatter. |
You know there is more than one doctrine having shock hur?
And? Is that some kind of excuse to not prepare for armor? |
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Then counter it with stug, P4, panther then? Its not like it have a slightest chance against any of them.
You're afraid of flanks? Mine the roads. You see shocks, you can expect KV-8, so there is no problem with anticipation either. |
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Well, there are 2 AT guns, one 2-3 shoots all armor in game, other not.
Apply common sense, avoid misunderstanding.
Disregarding a unit because its not in many doctrines is rather a flawed logic, unless you want to say something like KV-2 is a non factor, because its only in one doctrine or partisans for that matter, or AGs(by now you should get the point).
Who would have ever thought that to handle doctrinal heavy tank you would need a doctrinal heavy AT gun(because apparently you forgot where stug/p4/p5 button is). |
You really need to stop downplaying faults. Pak 40 kills a KV-8 in 2 shots? Really? You're going to make that claim?
And you really need to get some common sense.
Do you know what PaK43 is? Do you know what does it do? |
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Well I rarely(never really) see long flanks by KV-8 to cut retreat route.
You know, the rest of the german army and armor is usually there, unless you have chosen to greatly overextend your infantry even thou you knew there is KV-8 around. |
Thread: Snipers19 Mar 2014, 12:28 PM
wonder what would happen if you popped 2 snipers in the halftrack.
P4 drives by for a free kill. |
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