Those are not the counters to maxims. they are useful in supporting the actual counters but they cannot counter maxims by themselves.
If snipers and infantry spawning on the back of them are not counters for you, then you do have a problem.
Big one.
What is a counter for you? 2 clicks and squad wiped frontally? Because it seems like that is exactly what you want, seeing how you disregard all hard counters as no counters.
Let me tell you this: denial about hard counters doesn't make them any less of a hard counter. |
Why Axis cant get an early vehicle to counter all these mgs opening?
Soviet has M3 and USA has Dodge, why not give something to Ostheer or OKW like these?
Because axis have other effective counters for it?
Mortars, snipers, infantry guns, elite infantry spawning on the backs? |
The contradiction seems to be this:
Of MG34/42: you said it shouldn't be expected to handle units that cost a lot more than it.
Of Maxim: you seem to be saying Obersoldaten are too effective vs Maxim.
I may have misread you though, correct me if I'm wrong.
You've misunderstood me then, I had quantity on mind, which I clearly mentioned earlier.
You'd expect single squad attacking frontally to be stopped by pretty much any HMG. Not the case with obers against maxim(which will just keep sniping gunner), when you have two obers its simply a-move.
You wouldn't expect single MG to stop 3-5 squads rushing at it, especially if they have weapons effective at long range.
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Considering its AI is non existant. And you have something called a Zis gun. I would say its a non issue.
Is Rifles/Grens long range AI non existent?
No?
Guess what, Puma does better.
Unless you want to argue stats, then feel free to do so, but you were proven wrong waay before you've posted that. |
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I've never said its easy.
I've said its possible.
Just because something is annoying/hard to fight doesn't always equal to it being op.
Its annoying for USF to fight german sniper for example because it bleeds them really fast and they have no counter for it, but I don't see forums exploding because of that. |
Considering conspam is still a viable and efficient strategy, at least in 1v1 as far as I know, 7-8 con squads with 2x PTRS is no joke. PTRS en masse is actually a threat against any axis vehicles/tanks besides heavies, although I'm not too sure about panthers.
There's also the novelty factor of PTRS having a small chance to hit a model and take off a huge chunk of health.
You will fight mostly tigers, from upfront in the current meta.
Tiger takes 27 penetrating PTRS shots.
PTRS will penetrate it about 28-30% of the time.
That is a LOT of shots, even if you've got a lot of guns it'll still wreck you.
LMG grens will wreck you.
Any OKW infantry will wreck you, that includes volks that sacrifice just 1 rifle for their own AT and scale incomparably better. |
For cost its fine. its a tank destroyer its their to destroy tanks. or do you want to nerf the wolferine as well then? same value and even more AT. and how the fudge do you even vet a puma from infantry kills? i have trouble vetting my luchs and a puma is 10 times more difficult to vet from infantry.
if the puma parks himself in front of a squad in the open it indeed has around the dps of 2 grens firing at a squad.
Remind me timing on wolverine and its AI capacity again?
Do you want to compare mobility as well? Because this is another field where wolverine is left far behind.
And if you want to know how to vet puma off infantry, try watching helpinghans, stephenn, siberian, basically any decent player who streams.
Just because you are bad with puma and fail to utilize its full potential doesn't mean it does not overperforms on top level play. |
*Puma kills infantry pretty well* ¿? Where? with the coaxial you mean?
Since you're clearly not aware of this-puma got 11-8.3 dps on coaxial. Its not huge, but its enough to quickly force off any non AT squad off the field given that it focuses entities, its pretty much slightly weaker LMG constantly unloading at you and that is nothing to ignore.
If you're that bad at using puma to not realize its powerful AT unit and decent enough AI one, then watch some streams of, well, anyone who ever uses puma early. |
It should be renamed to Car Hunter Tactics
More like Truck Hunter Tactics.
Have you ever tried to kill scout car with PTRS without button? |
Thread: Shocks21 Aug 2014, 17:43 PM
I'll have to look at the replay again to be sure, but I remember an instance I had 1 shock squad run up on my vet2 lmg gren squad. There was a PG squad about mid range away. My guys were behind a light cover tree. Shocks used no smoke just ran through the open ground and before they even stopped in front of the grens all 4 were dead. No grenades. Then they ran at the PG's and forced a retreat on them, can't remember if they made it out alive. I always had support for each of my squads. At one point I had a scout car on them, it did ok. I don't think I used it the right way though, it was up too close and I almost lost it, lol. That's not really an issue with shocks or sc, that's just me.
Yea, you better do look for that replay, because stats say this is a fairy tale. |
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