I'm just saying, it's not inexpensive. It's an ultra late game unit and doesn't do a ton of damage all by itself. It absorbs a lot of damage, but it doesn't dish it like other heavy tanks do. A player who buys multiple churchills has zero mobility. Take advantage of that instead of trying to outgun them manno on manno.
This is honestly only remotely an issue in shitty 3v3/4v4 games.
Brits spend 115 or whatever it is + the 50 fuel for anvil specialization.
Total teching I believe is 180/30, 280/115, 200/50 ignoring squad counts, grenades or weapon racks. So 660/195 total before being able to purchase a Churchill for 540/150. Probably still cheaper than Germans, but that's the price you pay for better units. They also don't have many options for mid game vehicles other than the armoured car or valentine, which makes them vulnerable to early tank pressure like the luchs or ostwind as long as you don't drive into an AT gun.
How about tech up to the ost T4 when they must build T3 for medium tanks?80/10,100/40,200/20,100/45,260/75,100/45,260/75,it's 1000MP/310fuel before you being able to purchase a panther or a brumbar(490/160).Still cheaper than Germans?No...Absolutely the brits can tech more easily than ost. Relic gives brits 3 special skills when you tech up to Anvil,but what does they give to ost when they tech up to T4? |
You guys should really consider that it cost 50 fuel to specialize into anvil, before buying the churchill. (Which is also expensive on man power.)
It also is stupid slow, meaning that it's only chance of escape is to pop smoke.
It's tough, but if you isolate it from the rest of the british army it's very easy to mop it up.
It cost 120 fuel to tech up to ost T4, before buying the brumbar,also the brumbar is slow,so will we increase the brumbar HP to 1600? |
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I always say if Relic admits the 1600HP Churchills spam is ok,pls increase the ost brumbar to 1600HP too.Then I would be glad to spam brumbars so this unit will make a real sense to me.Though the ost T4 is much more expensive,I don't care.
The churchill spam has been a pain in the 4V4 games.6-7 churchills really ruin the larger team games which relic don't want to see.For me,I spam churchills every time when I play the brits,JT and elefant will be the counters?lol,they are limited to only one at a time...How to counter so many churchills??? |
Are you kidding me?
The 200/50 tech cost is equivalent to what ostheer pay to get to T4, how in the hell is that supposed to be some kind of martydom for the British?
On top of that they also get FREE ultra engineers that magically gain LMG's and 2 armor, making them more durable than shocks. With double brens these guys are fucking terminators and if they hit vet 3, which is relatively easy to do, they have a reinforce cost of 13MP. They have the long range dps of an ober squad and cost half as much.
So not only does getting the anvil specialization get you the ultimate tank, it gets you the cheapest, and one of the most effective infantry squads in the game. For kicks they even get a -50% reload time in cover. Put them in a building and watch as an entire army can't dig them out.
There is no fucking reason the churchhill should have 1600H and not be put in the same class as a heavy tank. For christ's sake a Tiger only has just over a 1000 and the KT has 1280. Give it a slight price decrease and up its armor while dropping its HP to something that isn't in the realm of insanity. being able to take 10 shots from a panther or AT gun is way over the top and basically makes the tank immortal in the hands of a competent player.
No unit should be able to hardcounter units that are designed to hardcounter it, that's just shitty balance.
Actually 200MP/50fuel is much cheaper than the cost ost spend for teching up to T4.After the mediums T3 tech,ost must spend 100MP/45fuel to tech up first,then they have to spend 260MP/75fuel for the T4 building.It's 360MP/120 fuel. And it takes more than 1 minute while it's 30 seconds for the brits.Not to mention ost get nothing for rewards but can build a 800HP Brumbar which cost 10 more fuel than 1600HP Churchill.While the brits gain 3 special skills. |
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Churchill cost should be increased to higher pop,maybe 25 is fine,like the kingtiger.Relic lower the pop for the call-in heavies because they are limited to only one at a time.Relic don't lower the kingtiger 's pop because it's a non-doctrine heavy tank and don't have a number limit.
Or relic should lower the kingtiger's pop to 20 then limit the number to only one at a time.Same to the KT,the Churchill should be limited to only one at a time,without increasing the pop. |
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its already 115 range now.So no need to buff the range.We have enough long range painful mortars pieces.I dunno how to balance this unit.IMO it's a totally failure to set an mobile mortar squard into such an immobile emplacement. |
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IMO the emplacements design are totally failed. The biggest problem is they are all immobile.So fck this,it means all indirect fire can easily barrage them.What they can do is waiting for death. I always don't like the immobile units. |
So if pay more to get more is not the way to go, then I don't know what is.
Only brits have anything comparable to ost T4 and they still get just a single unit for that.
But they will get 3 special skills which are very useful. Except the brits won't get a panzerwerfer,they get a single unit which is such excellent and too effective. The comet is very good at both AT and AI. I'm pretty sure it's the best medium tank of the whole game. Then that OP churchill... While the ost panther is only good at AT and brumbar is only good at AI.They both have limitations and expensive.
So getting a single unit is fair enough. The unfair thing is, it's too easy and no risky to tech up to the heavies tier after they go for a T3 unit. Totally unfair. Ost must spend 120 fuel and much time to tech up. It makes this faction struggles a lot and takes a huge risk when teching. So when they go to T3 for pz4s or stugs, they hardly go to T4 but wait for tigers instead. |
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I know the brits has a much more difficult early game than the ost,maybe relic will buff it next patch since there are so many complaints.But as I said,also they should pay attention to their cheap late tech. It's 200MP + 50 fuel not 60 fuel previously I was wrong.It's too easy and no risky to tech to the heavies tier after making a medium tank for the brits.Absolutely no fairness when the ost must spend 360MP + 120fuel to tech to their heavies tier in the same situation.Not to mention the ost upgrade will take more than 1 minute and gain nothing reward while the brits can gain several special skills.And is it fair that the 800HP Brumbar cost 10 more fuel than 1600HP Churchill?If you guys admit this is balanced Relic pls bring the Brumbar in line with the Churchill,the Brumbar needs to have 1600HP too...Seriously!
It makes no sense releasing a new faction lead to unfairness to play the old ones.Buff their early games.Then delay their late tech. |
5 tanks in one tier?
Which tier you're talking about?
Because all I can see is cromwell, centaur and firefly.
I wasn't best in school from math, but t me that seems like three instead of 5 with 4th being unlocked by side tech which costs as much as tier.
And no, OKW can get panther well before brits will even think about comet.
Ost T3 and brit T3 arrive at about same time and are equal to each other with the centaur>ostwind exception.
Going for anything above that requires brit field domination, which isn't really possible against either axis faction.
Besides, how many comets or anvil churchills have we seen during the OCF?
Brits don't really have it easier because of the side costs and the attrition, which is by far highest among all armies.
They should buff the early game of Brits, then bring their late tech cost in line with other factions. |
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