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i just thought about your "way those gamemode works" thing.
one thing i absolutly hate is how static they are. for example you got 17 cap points (including vps) on angoville, with a 50/50 distribution means you need to cap 8 points.
most 4v4 maps got roughly the same amount of caps or even less which means per player you need to only cap 2 points.

there is no strategy diverstiy in which way you cap and evreything is pretty static which encourages arty spamfests. 1v1 and 2v2 are just way more "mobile" and flexible how the maps are played

You literally do not have a single game played in 4v4AT. What makes you an expert on this topic?

If you had any experience in 4v4AT you would know arty is rarely built.

source: http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/viewBoard/0/steamid/76561198000494642

Reposted because of political correctness.

You've spent 3 days arguing with people about 4v4AT and you never even played a single game. This is more frustrating than your opinion.

i know for sure thats not the case for vcoh. alot of streamer(1v1, 2v2) said that 4v4 is relative easy and got their high ranks there pretty easy. the difference is not that big from vcoh to coh2.

just think about it, 1v1 is about your gameplay only, everything you do is directly related to you. 2v2 is the pretty much the same just with the factor of teamwork.

in 4v4 you can do major fuckups and just stall with your mates because 3 people can still defend versus 4 people (attacking is always harder than defending), and no the same does not apply to 2v2 because defending 2v1 is harder than 3v4.
or can you tell me a reason why there is no competitve scene for larger gamemodes? why is almost every streamer a 1v1 or 2v2 player?

This is coh2 - it has a different competitive scene from coh1.

4v4 is about your game-play and your teamwork. In 1v1 its easy to account for an enemies army - I know how many units he has on the field and once he retreats I know I have a short advantage to take the field uncontested - 4v4 this is not the case.

If you are playing high level 4v4 - major fuckups will hinder your team no different than other team game if we assume games are played in vacuum where all 8 players are of equal skill.

Here is an example: arguably 4 of the best 1v1 players, literally some of the best in the game losing because of poor teamwork and strategy, which brings me back to my original post; 1v1 players are good at 1v1 because it is what they practice - the same goes for competitive 4v4ers. (Sorry its in russian and sorry to use rTn as an example but its only because they are so good at 1v1 and proves my point nicely 1v1allstars vs 4v4 plebs..

Your last statement was why streams and casts are done of 1s/2s not 4s: Because there is simply too much going on in 4v4 to stream/cast. This has been and will always be why more people cast 1s/2s.

I actually don't understand what the point of this upload is, you just seems to be rubbing an easy win into the faces of your opponents apparently unprovoked.

Pretty sure he posted it to show how poorly allies can play and still win now. It was poking at our own faults as well as the state of the game.

Laughing when people lose units or poking fun at peoples build orders is talking shit in my book. Unless its glhf/gg you may as well save it.

Ah! Ok THAT explains a lot. Ty guys. Atleast now I can use that winrate data in any balance arguments with that much greater confidence.

Really you shouldn't be using any data other than 1v1 data in your arguments. Any of the larger game modes (2v2 and up) are using random and not AT, which gives you random results.

The changes to the game modes have resulted in much better balance in 3v3 and 4v4, although it still has a little way to go. I understand 1v1 and 2v2 are out of whack right now, and I hope that Relic returns to balance them as well. However, disregarding larger team games because you don't play them or because you don't think they require "skill" is silly.

Yes, but I think balancing 1s/2s helps to balance 3s/4s, to a degree. Essentially, especially on maps like city 17, the game is basically broken down to a 2v2 on each respective side, at least the first 20 minutes. Its much easier to balance a 1v1 game than a 4v4 game due to the sheer number of factors.

I think the 3s/4s 'not requiring skill' was thrown out after the league of heroes tournament, where 3v3AT/4v4AT teams dominated 4-man teams comprised of 1v1 all-stars.