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This hotfix was necessary to even let team games be played. The OKW will still need to be balanced after this. |
I completely agree. I've seen this several times. I think if you build a JT then the KT should be locked out and vice versa. This means that OKW essentially have a 2 heavy tank limit based on commander which is absolute horse shit! With the 100% resources it's easily possible to have enough fuel for both.
With a KT and JT combo it's impossible to counter as allies
This has always been the case for OKW in team games, and is one of the reasons the KT was moved to a commander ability. Having said that, I don't think making a Heavy limit is necessary since no player should have enough resources to do that, after this gets rebalanced of course, in a normal game. I will hold absolutes until the OKW are reshuffled however. |
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From a gameplay prospective Stuka is poor because of its ability to trash support weapons. The unit's role, cost, vet, and RoF are all good, but the draw a line to wipe units idea is not a great one. Players should be allowed to build up vet and the ability should come later, before creeping happens to help them have a better chance of escape.
Calling out every player for their playercard on every topic is not very helpful. If you have an immediate question about the unit you should address that not just at will attack people. You might even try saying, "Are you struggling to beat Stuka's, how have you tried?" instead. |
Dang, I can't believe I missed this thread.
CoH2 has been out since June, 2013. I bring this date up because it would appear that Relic really hasn't learned from the past 2 1/2 years in terms of balancing approach. I just don't get where the disconnect is happening. UKF was released in a unbalanced state right after a public Beta. These OKW changes were tested there and in an additional public balance preview patch. Many of these issues were identified there but never acted on. Why? Until that is figured out I fear that the community will continue to go through the roller coaster of shit every time a new balance patch is released.
For those taking a vacation from CoH2 try out RB6 Siege. The Angry Bear's teamspeak is open. Look for me and we can play some games.
Good post Napalm.
It is unfortunate because the Relic balance team got so much good feedback in the Patch preview thread. They even acknowledged as much in their stream of the new commanders. But then they fail to act on 95% of it. Sure some things were changed, but the majority of the changes went ahead with minimal differences, even though the community identified many of the current problems. I guess I should be thankful the Luchs got a penetration debuff before it went live? |
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Katy needs only slight buffs.
SU85 needs to be brought in line with other TD's. It also needs a real vet 1, its current "tracking" is silly at best.
T34-76, needs to remove ram, give flank speed (Extremely high speed overheat engine, preferably with a way to prevent it being used only defensively), and needs a slight penetration increase. Also the accuracy of the MGs needs to go up or the accuracy of the gun needs to go up so it can engage infantry consistently. It is currently so random it is hard for either player (Soviet or German) to gauge when it will kill a squad.
The 4-man squad thing is not as large an issue, as many factions fight with squads of 4-men, and OKW has a base squad of 5. |
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The walking stuka is ok balance-wise, but the real issue right now is the ability to throw up a wall of AT before it arrives, not the Stuka itself.
Having said that Stukas should not be able to gun destroyed crits, and their health is questionable after all the recent buffs.
As a matter of better game play I would like to see them receive a standard rocket barrage (with random spread) and recover creeping barrage only with vet. This would help limit their ability to pinpoint and wipe weapon teams. |
THIS IS 4v4 why is every low to medium player complaining about a mode that is just for fun? Where you can spam like you want pre patch and now, nobody cares about spam stuff going on there!
I mean in these matches it can not be taken for an example because nothing scales there and people just spam around and still getting rewarded as allieds or axis.
suggestion: remove 3v3 and 4v4 from automatch!
There are literally whole threads already blowing up about this, and you are throwing this out here for more flaming?
This opinion of 3v3 and 4v4 was already demonstrated in other threads to be wrong headed and a poor strategy for the community, you can find those discussion on your own
This doesn't really help the conversation here at all. |
Just tested the following:
1v1, Angoville, SU vs OKW. SU using Lend Lease's fuel supply drop.
CheatCommands mod.
OKW starts with 3 flaks as "bunkers", they all fire 18 rounds to the plane before it goes out of its range. Schwerer fires 6 times when put in the middle of the map.
12/31 times were taken down by 3 flaks + schwerer panzer.
5/30 were taken down by 3 flaks (base).
10/30 were taken down by 1 Schwerer HQ.
7/10 were taken down by 1 Schwerer HQ + 1 FHT (2 of those 3 times that didn't, somehow the FHT didn't fire).
Hope this helps.
I still find it stupid that OKW gets AA by sideteching (and thus deny some allies' abilities), specially when they also have AA bunkers.
Great work, your number for base structure destruction of aircraft (17%) is lower than the average Relic posted (0.5% per shot, or 24% of aircraft destroyed in your example), which is interesting. It suggests either random deviation from this mean (very possible), you completely miscounting the number of shots fired (seems unlikely), or that Relic made a mistake in their estimates of accuracy against planes. |
They are looking for balance dev that would have a clue on what he is doing 
I suspect this is correct, in that they want to make sure the person responding can read balance charts. |
That's not really how the math works. Would be around 40% chance for 100 total shots fired.
Maybe I don't know how to multiply, but 10x10x0.005 leads to 50%.
If the guns have a 0.5% chance per shot, each fire 10 shots, and there are 10 of them.
How do you calculate 40%, since you showed no numbers but claim I can't do the math? Feel free to prove me wrong. I would be interested in calculating it correctly for myself anyway if I am wrong.
"Clean" testing in 1v1 is important, but so is 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4. Assuming the commanders are for all game modes.
Also Australian did support his claim, you just didn't like it so it falls on you to now show that he is wrong since he presented data. This is how these kind of data driven discussion go. A person presents some data, another disagrees collects more shows that, the other disagree and collects more...and so on. We are at the part where you collect data.
Edit: Whoops I completely brain farted. The way to calculate this is the chance to survive (0.995 or 99.5% per shot) raised to the power of the number of occurrences. Here it would be number of shots fired, so 0.995^100 = ~60% as you recognized. |
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