Profile of Imagelessbean

You can use attack ground with flame units to kill infantry off of arty pieces if you wish. Remember vet 3 arty gets a range increase so often times returns itself to battle if it can build up vet.

Killing your own units seems wasteful. Better to let them buy time for more important units in combat.

I did not realize until COH2 how important cloaking was to Paks in vCOH. I knew it was important to provide me the first shot, and the ability to escape from infantry. But now...wow.

Constant missed shots, infantry often just overrunning at gun by getting a single lucky RNG hit on a carrying model (this would not have happened before with cloaked paks quietly backing up), paks choosing to engage infantry, high cost, etc.

The biggest problem is that paks/zis's attack infantry at will. This is really bad for the zis since it has an extremely long reload time. They should only attack infantry if directly ordered to do so, and the first shot should always land on target when targeting a tank.

Side note: The su85 and elephant should only attack infantry if directed to do so. Or at least have a toggle button, "Free attack" vs "Target Tanks only".

Also does target weak point regularly miss for other people? Is it bugged, or was that the intention?

The pak43 is extremely situational, and I have a hard time figuring out where it is best. It sucks up a large amount of pop that I can never reclaim, and can not damage infantry. Annoyingly it also fires at infantry instead of holding fire for tanks, and is as you stated, very vulnerable to indirect fire and RNG hits.

I would actually prefer this unit become the 88mm and allow me to use it a multipurpose area denial tool. At that point, it would not be allowed to continue shooting through buildings, which feels very gimmicky to me right now.

I've said plenty of times that T70 are too cheap. Their cost should be increased.
But yes, two T70 should rape Pgrens, and one lone T70 well microed should rape PGrens too.
You shouldn't go NEVER with a single infantry unit against an AI tank.




People makes T70 specifically to counter PGs as they are an infantry hardcounter.
Why do you insist in that you want to kill T70s with infantry?

As someone pointed above, Ostheer have plenty of hard and soft counters, but you insist and insist in that you want to kill them with your shreck PGrens.
Damn, just retreat or garrison a house and wait for your T3 units support. Or ambush it with grens!! Even the most pro player can't see into the fog of war.

Is as if you wanted to see in T70 a unit that fills the same role of vCoH units like M8 or PE AC. But by design and tier placement T70 is more like a mini-Ostwind, with less armor and hit points, reflected in its lower price but with the same AI capabilities.

Nerfing T70 even more will make the unit useless when Soviet Industry got patched, because if they can't even kill infantry properly there's no reason to go T70 instead of T34.

2 problems with retreat, is that if it is a long way, T70 kills the fleeing unit and potentially forces shrek drop. Another is that if a single unit can reliably force away PG's then how can I expect to hold the field?

If grens do ambush they cannot kill the T70, they can only injure it for munitions and manpower bleed.

What if I am not near a house, what do I garrison? Do you want to restrict the German to remain near houses?

Ost forces inf to keep distance, which is what it is supposed to do. T70 has another role, not that of ost. Hit hard and hit fast, then get out of their fast.

In addition, what other early counters do Germans have to T70?

Mines- Too expensive must sacrifice other upgrades or fausts, not guaranteed kill
222- too little health now
Paks- miss frequently, although they often only get 1 shot off anyway
P4- comes out too late, what happens if German cannot get P4?
Stug- can actually be circle strafed by T70, German must give up AI capabilities, comes out latter
PG-large munition cost upgrade, what if I don't have it?, huge mp bleed, lower AI capabilities

I can think of no others. If you won't make PG's better against the T70, the pak must be more reliable. The pak in vCOH could always force away the armored car if it could fire at range. Right now the pak cannot reliable push back a t70, so I must rely on PG's.

PG's should stop T70's because that is what they are designed to do. Although PG's have strong AT capabilities they get riskier to use as game progresses as soviets unlock better AI tanks that can one shot squads. If they cannot be used early game to reliably counter light tanks and build up vet to deal with heavier tanks, there is a problem. If you are facing PG's with shreks you should have map control because he gave up AI capabilities and you should then invest in a T34.

T70 was not useless before soviet industry, it will not be after. You are not using it correctly if you think it was useless before soviet industry. Soviet industry allowed the exploitation of a broken unit in a more broken manner.

Your comparing a late game anti inf tank to a light armored vehicle. So therefore,in terms of vcoh , it would be paratroopers not able to defend themselves vs an m8, which is insane.

Agreed, in my eyes the T70 should fill a similar role to the AC of the PE, not the ostwind. It can be used to support and decimate infantry, but it is lightly armored and leaves your opponent the option of a tech to at least light armor.If the Germans had cheaper mines this would not be as much of a problem, but since they are near impossible to afford, the T70 can roam freely. The AC in vCOH was very vulnerable to well placed mines.

Greeb by your argument 2 T70's (based on cost, at which point it would be similar to ostwind) should not fear PG's which is currently true, but it should not be that one T70 can decimate PG's.

Also I think your concern about the balance of the T70 is more about the lack of AT inf the soviet have. The AC in vCOH allowed the PE player to field shreks if they went T2 T3. If the soviet player goes T2 T3 they can only get zis unless they want guards (which won't be able to stop the PIV alone), before the PIV. Ultimately, this makes the T70 less attractive, though it is one of the best units in the game.

You can use the T70 even in the late game with the commander out (especially now with vet changes) to determine if you want to engage in combat. You can always keep the VP's away from combat in your hands with this single cheap unit, or force your opponent to send more units away from the battle to defeat it.

TL DR: The T70 is too good right now, especially against PG's.
Reduce range, or another slight nerf to bring it in line.