Profile of Greeb

Thank you for a reasonable and argumented reply.

I can see how Stuka is more of a problem in team games, but then again, a lot of things are different in team games. I don't really know what to say on the count if it is balanced or fair. I would say I think it performs for cost. If it cannot kill static support crews, what precisely should it do to justify the cost and tier/faction placement?

What else would you have it do? If you reduce its damage or AoE, you are left with a fuel sink noone would ever use in their right mind. Area, non-linear barrage has been suggested and I suppose it could work. But please take a look at the average number of kills a Stuka gets in a game (even team games) and offset it with its costs.

The issue with Walking Stuka is that its first barrage can be absolutely devastating and gamebreaking but after that, it doesn't make much for its price, I'm aware of that. It doesn't seems fair to me for both sides, the allied player who lost full health units in a unavoidable attack and the axis player who paid an expensive price for a slow arty piece that relies only in its surprise factor.

It could receive some lesser changes, like less barrage range, having to get closer to the enemy or a bit of damage decrease meaning that full health units could still have chances to survive a barrage. In exchange it should have a cost decrease or faster cooldown in between barrages.

By the way, I'd gladly pay 150 fuel for a Katyusha with the damage output of the Stuka, as usually I've to make two Katyushas in order to have a combined barrage even less powerful than the stuka's.

Cant maxim spam anymore guys? Lololol next time dont line up your units and if you hear it firing, just move, k?

With these kind of comentaries how can you later complain if other players abuse maxis, rifles, T34, etc?

It seems hard to you to understand that even after hearing the Stuka firing, usually it doesn't give enough time to move support weapons away. Stuka's AoE is too big and its damage usually removes from the game everything inside the AoE.

Perhaps you feel that this is balanced because you're butthurt after being maxim-spammed. It would be funny to see what will happen and how the community will rage if the soviet Katyusha did the same damage.

Are they all formed up in a line? Knowing you are up against a faction that has access to Stuka zu Fuss?

Having just a ATgun firing a KingTiger is not enough if you went T3, so I used two ZiS and they were pretty spread from each other at a safe range to at least one of them avoid most of the artillery in the game. But Stuka's barrage AoE is way bigger than I supposed and managed to hit and destroy both ATguns. (It was its first barrage, so i didn't know that a Stuka was in the game)

Even so, tossing away my poor gameplay and strategy, do you really think is balanced that damage output and huge AoE in a fast and mobile artillery unit? Yes, it's expensive, but in teamgames everything is affordable soon or later.

Yes relic.

Please nerf every OKW strat to counter me blobbing my ridiculous US infantry.

/s

I think that no one is complaining here about Stuka's antiblob abilities but how easy is for it to wipe all support weapons whitout chance to retreat.

Sorry boys, soviet howitzer can do that, 120 mortar can do that (of course not at the same scale or as often as wurframen can do it), B4 can do that. AND they do that for a faction that has no fuel penalties.
So when I'm thinking Wurframen is fine, me and alot of people around here, I really don't think this sounds biased even if it would be.
It's a unique unit and it's intended to be this way as most of OKW vehicles.

If it will be nerfed and ISU left as it is, that will be a huge mistake. But this is quite possible to occur.

1) Soviet Howitzer: Sometimes I forgot it exists because nobody built one since beta, but it can't move, you can guess easily its max range and it's easy to retreat after the first shell lands. You should be really unfortunate to lose a full squad with the first shell. To add up, it is doctrinal. Huge AoE, but crappy accuracy.

2) 120 mortar: It has been nerfed from its former glory, I doubt seriously it can now wipe a full healed and vetted unit with just one shell. Usually it wipes wounded or maimed units. Even so, you can always retreat when you see it firing. By the way, it is also doctrinal and very easy to destroy it flanking with infantry. Small AoE, terrible accuracy

3) B4: Slow as hell, and yes it can wipe squads if you forgot about them and they stay static. Even so, the unit is static like a howitzer and easy to take care of. Guess what? Doctrinal too. Pinpoint AoE.

Stuka: mobile arty, you can't counter barrage it. It is not doctrinal, you can always build it. Usually there's no possibility to retreat for support weapons. Unit annihilation garanteed in 95% of cases. Huge AoE, 100% accuracy.

Don't you see that usually potentially squad-wiping units are static, with bad accuracy and easy to avoid and counter? Stuka hasn't not any of these flaws, being its only counter to suicide a T34 in order of killing it.

Soviet needs a slight faction redesign, specially T1 units and T70/T36. Against OKW I'm always forced to build maxims and choose always one of the two viable commanders con Shocks.

Btw, all soviet T2 gameplay ends the very moment a OKW player gets a Stuka. Neither with a halftrack reinforcing them can you keep alive your support weapons.

Soviet meta currently revolves around a stupid maxim spam followed by a brainless race towards T34 spam. Probably is effective, as plenty of OKW players are complaining of, but is boring as hell for the soviet player to play too.