Profile of Vaz

kubel works on shocks. Kubel works as a team though, so not a standalone hard counter. Yes it still does the same function in late game as early game. If you want to beat shocks with volks, it's actually your best bet.

Well they do their own testing and game sessions, so likely it's the result of that. Why it's a ninja change, I don't know, but I think cynthia_re mentioned one time how ninja changes get in on these forums.

I can't watch the replay right now. I'm having trouble understanding the issue of this topic. It's labeled shocks but I don't see much about shocks in your paragraphs. Can you clarify what your asking?

MY ARGUMENT?

Well how about this?

Largest teching cost in the game..while u guys are chilling on call-ins.
ZERO AI capability.Has to flee from a single AT gun...whats the point the armor if it can't kill?
Worthless reload..worthless accuracy-misses half the time..avg dmg.
175 FUEL.
Whats the point of armor and health if its incapable of killing anything.
Tank hunter..lol.
Glorified meatshield with dud gun and drunk gunner.

There..go on.

P.S :If u don't believe me..u don't have to.I would ask u to do a simple thing..play ostheer for 12 matches in teamgames using the panther.U'll get my argument.I dare u..do it and use the panther.I dare u.Then come and give feedback.Good day.

Panther has pintle upgrade which is cheap and effective AI. All pintle gunners are a no-brainer upgrade in the game and the panthers is no exception. With this upgrade it is impossible for a single at gun to beat a managed panther. The pintle gunner alone would defeat the at gun. You could have a damaged main gun panther with an active pintle gunner and you will win vs a single at gun. As you know my playercard is visible and you can see that I meet your 12 match experience requirement. My experience with panthers has been much more fruitful than yours seem to be, so I think your doing something wrong. It's not even Rngesus. With blitzkreig you can beat the single at gun possibly without even taking damage. I consider it to be about the best tank in CoH2, just as I found it to be the best tank in CoH1 for the 6-7 years I played that.

Especially from Panther?? You ever used a Panther ever? Unless you get lucky with RNG and lots of shots bouncing, 2 T34/76s will rape Panther.

How about IS2? That thing has much more armor than Tiger, is faster and has a better gun, yet costs the same. Only thing Tiger has over IS2 is blitz and reload time and I guess it's a smaller target, but none of those things make up for the other differences.

Tiger also has more HP than IS2 last I checked (even after the WFA hp reduction). I think it's cheaper too, but I would need to check that. 2 t34/76 cost more than panther (disregarding tech costs), so seeing them beat a panther is not a problem.

IS-2 is just lol atm.Unless u picked tiger doctrine u can't counter it as ostheer basically.Pz 4 even in packs will lose because they can't penetrate its armor..even rear most of the time.Paks take too long to kill before one shotted..this still remains the best method.
Panther extinct.
Elefant extinct.
pAK 43 extinct.

Last sentinel tiger-even that may lose....but no,that can't be.Tiger is the last missing link to deleting ostheer armor from the game.It has to be eliminated.

Panther does a pretty good job against IS2, it might need a little extra help, but considering the cost difference, it's understandable. That's my experience at least, I haven't found panther to be "extinct" to me. Pak43 is a deterent to anyone with a functional brain that knows it's there. I'm not going to see an IS2 and immediately think, I need a pak43. I don't know about elefant, I haven't used it since the range decrease. I did fight one that was surrounded by a pack of other tanks and I couldn't get to it. I will say I don't share your gloomy position on axis armor. I think if there is anything this community can agree on, axis has the best armor statistically. I may not have as many axis games as others, but those I have played have never resulted in me feeling I can't deal with ANY allied armored vehicles.

The way you described the process is the way I understand it.