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the thing is though, it isnt going to be doing anything at all but AA. the 222 retains scout ability and if still armoud probably already earned its keep 10s of minutes ago when it was serving as a LV hunter/shcok unit for its timing. the quad has no such luxury. its the most cost effecient because thats all it is full stop. if there is a quad out it was a move to do that and that alone, all other AA from the 222 to even the emplacements generaly are built for more than just AA aas they bring more than just AA to the table.

you more or less created vehicle crews aside from wanting sweeping too and they exist.... without the additional cost.
every faction has a few boons and areas they are cost effecient in, the only AA the soviet can muster hardly seems an issue being one of those things when its so easily taken out imo. for example that 222 we mentioned from earlier can be used to dive and take out the m5 should the time come but i have yest seen anyone dive an m5, despite the similar costs to take out even something greatly more valuable like rocket arty.

Vehicle crews is quite separate as their cost cannot be detached from the vehicle itself. Dismount the crew and your vehicle is useless until manned again, you have no net gain in unit count. But imagine if you could buy vehicle crews for 120mp and upgrade them with sweepers...


Now regarding the first point about M5 ONLY being able to do AA. I dont care if it's only able to do AA, there is a limit that it shouldn't exceed. If you removed the elefant's MG, it would not justify increasing its damage per shot to 640 even though the only thing it can do is anti tank. The M5 exceeds a potency limit for cost. That it is better at AA then 2 ostwinds which cost 4x the pop and 7x the fuel is a problem even if AA is the "only" thing it can do-which i don't even necessarily agree with in the first place.

That becomes irrelevant the very moment cons hit vet1, which does not take all that long.
4 engi is not exactly meta, just a meme exclusively against OKW, which happens to work by a virtue of surprise rather then actual units strength.

lol if you say so.

As has already been said, CE are not a stand in for cons because they have only 2/3 the health and get none of the durability bonuses cons get meaning while you can have more they are significantly easier to push off.

They are pop effecient I'll give you that but that's entirely because they are as bare bones as an engineer gets. That's their thing. They are cheap. Them and the t34 are the only remaining units that are cheaper than their counterparts

Specifically in the early game on a per model basis before vet really comes into play engineers are more cost efficient then cons.
They are 9% more durable per model and only cost 5% more to reinforce. They are built faster and 4 engineers can be called in a fair bit earlier then 4 conscripts due to the difference in MP. Yeah they don't scale combat wise but you've spent 50% less MP on 4 CE then 4 Cons which means faster medics, early tech and supplemental units, or bank for an extra elite infantry at 2cp. Bleed won't be as bad since per model your squads are more cost efficient until vet becomes relevant by which time you should have supporting troops.

Look here: It is not possible to win with kubel vs a maxim 1v1.
https://youtu.be/TNGS81s7ABg?t=7

yes the maxim move...and this means you can dive in with a volks. but this would mean 2 units vs 1.

A 2 unit (Kubel + volks) vs 2 unit (maxim + pio) is a lose for okw.


Let me specify the context:

Kubel is not a anti MG mechanic

Yes, it win in a standalone fight with maxim crew.

The think is, this doesnt mean its a valid anti mg mechanic for OKW.

Because: even in a 1v1 a mg is never alone.

THis means there is support. even a added sov pio is enough to kill the kubel very fast. but the only chance to get off the mg is to come in range of it.
So where is now the good anti MG mechanic for okw? An anti mg mechanic is
- a mortar: it outrange a mg. no big risk for you
- smoke: it deny supression from mg and give you the chance to flank it savely
- sniper : outrange mg. no big risk
- carrier: give a good chance to get behind the mg and kill the crew very fast, without losing your own units ( like m3) unless AT or at nades are near
- and so one

a kubel is denied by any other support in near, which means you cant push a mg covered postion as OKW early.

Yeah but thats not what you were arguing....

...OP...

So first off, I agree that these two abilities in their current forms suck and need to be changed.

I like the idea of rapid conscription being more of a conscript enhancement. Speeding up deployment times/reinforcement times does sound interesting.
Like it could be a timed ability that during its duration ALL infantry and weapon teams have faster reinforcement and cheaper reinforcement. I don't believe rapid conscription comes in any commanders with elite infantry so you wouldn't have to worry about a flood of guards or shocks.


As for ostruppen reserves, honestly being rewarded with ostruppen for munitions sucks however you slice it. I guess what I'd like to see is it as a late game "comeback" type ability. In the late game, when your squads have been slowly wittled away and your VPs are draining out, Ostruppen reserves comes in letting you recruit cheap infantry to replace losses-you know, the way reserves might actually function IRL.

So something like "If your VP's are below 200 and lower then your opponent's, you can call in ostruppen for 150mp each." Gives you a weak, poorly scaling but extremely cheap callin at a time when often a cheap callin is exactly what you need.