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Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2022, 17:22 PMKurobane

Rather see COH 3 fail and they continue development on COH1 or COH2 instead

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2022, 09:52 AMOziligath

Alright, some people don't like the idea of fictionnal tank/prototype. I get it, but why should relic listen to you? What is your legitimity on this topic. We're talking about this subject for weeks now but we are a small part of the community. Like it or not, our opinion is irrelevant. When relic is selling their product it's selling to the people that know the game but don't play a lot, WW2 interested people, strategy enjoyers. But not us the diehard fans. Why? because we're so small that we buying the game or not won't change. So my take on this topic is who cares about historical accuracy? Why? And in the end no one cares outside of us about this debate. Altought it's fun to read those.

Jump back to quoted post30 Sep 2022, 18:55 PMWilly Pete

Being completed while the war was going on works for me... I rly shouldnt have to explain the difference between 1945 and the 1970s, i would hope thats relatively obvious

But answer my question? Where do u draw the line for authenticity?

Its okay for tanks to be portrayed completely innacurately, as long as the models were real? Their speed and handling can be on par with modern cars, the battles they are fighting in can be completely fabricated, they can be reliably lazered from the sky by planes, they can be spotted by a flare launched from a mortar, but as long as the names and appearance are correct its still considered "authentic"?

That makes zero sense to me. The BP breaks immersion for u, but how the hell were u ever immersed in the first place???

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2022, 17:29 PMSwitzerland

You can be obstinate to the point a few people are trying to express you if you wish, but relic have essentially admitted they know that their IP contains a lot of fiction. Such as the rarity of the KT and Jagdtiger however to improve gameplay and make a fun product they are a franchise staple of common appearance. They go on to state that this chapter isn't any different.

I mean id love to see the drone b17 bombers that were meant to blow up targets remotely, they did poorly but since they were used once it meets the threshold for inclusion that some are making. Since its ok to fictionalize the units performance it would be above the mark, even though they never once hit a target.

Just as there is very poor performance on the tactical history of the strumtiger but it was used in that role poorly or not and its been given a fantastic gameplay place, regardless of being highly fictional.

That is the point I find funny, if we can fictionalize units operational lives to the point of reinforcing myth and this is the camels back broken in two, its funny.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2022, 17:03 PMSwitzerland

Since at a point it was mentioned that the BP wasn't about gameplay. Or that this is not authentic. Thought id see what Relics thoughts on the subject were. North Afrika Recap 32 minutes in. Just some excerpts from it below but obviously listen to understand their take on the product.

"We also have to make some choices about representation of units that you know, there are things may be from a timeline perspective you feel, do we want to emphasize gameplay over like pure authenticity? And people can im sure can remember this from uhhh earlier games with the Kingtiger Jagdtiger or units vehicles that in the real world were extremely rare. We want to include that stuff in the game but we have to be a bit careful about it and decide, is it worth it for the gameplay to do this?"

Sacha Narine

"We think about authenticity vs accuracy a bit differently."

John Tabbernor

"Company of Heroes the whole franchise and legacy is that we do, were not just concrete on historical accuracy. We do kind of blend into this world of like you know these are just cool toys and at the end of the day wed like to just get them into the game for players to make use of. Uhhh you know Sacha has already eluded to some of the previous games and this series its no different, without a clear and precise answer - why is there a prototype in the game.

Matt Philip

So they have mentioned the liberties on the Kingtiger and the Jagdtiger were done for Gameplay, and look its the same intent for the Black Prince. I didn't see pitchforks about Stock KTs though. Again, numbers and specific history never mattered to relic. Invincible stukas in abilities, pin point accurate STs are just the beginning of a list that shows how a suspension of belief was already present in the game.

They make alot of mention of toys in the toolbox, and admit they don't think it saw deployment, but are quick to mention that they weren't shy to over represent units that are now franchise hallmarks despite rarity.