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There is no such thing as a gun that is “too accurate”.

Suppressive fire isn’t something achieved through volume alone, that volume must also be on target.

Of course you can, HMGs are mostly designed to be 'inaccurate', in that they saturate a decent sized area with rounds, rather than a small patch. This is how you suppress a large area, quickly and easily.

Much of the time this is being done at very large ranges, you mostly cant even see the enemy, there is no 'target' to direct accurate fire towards. Your target will be something like a corner of some woods, or an area of a hill, or even some dead ground you cannot see.

A HMG which randomly places rounds all over that area and quickly, is going to keep the heads down of any enemy much more than a weapon placing rounds in a more predictable pattern.. thats why it can be true, and relevant, to say a weapon is too accurate.

4. BREN guns were not “too accurate”. The British standard of accuracy on a BREN gun was actually higher than that of their standard for a bolt action rifle and they wanted their BRENs to be highly accurate. The accuracy of the BREN was prized by Tommies as it allowed them to be very effective at suppressing enemy troopers with accurate fire with fewer rounds. If less accuracy was desired for some reason, it was simple to just hold the gun more loosely and let it vibrate around, you don’t need a less accurate or worn out barrel to do this.

There is a lot of context missing there, it is true that a Bren was NOT going to supress a group of infantry at range anywhere near as well as a propper HMG.

Any true HMG does two things, puts down a LOT of rounds, and does so with a "beating patern", which causes suppression over a decently large area. With more accurate weapons like a Bren, you could suppress a small area sure, but maybe not a larger area covering 10-20 infantry or more.

This was pretty much same problem with the more recently used British LSW (Light support weapon - just a long barreled SA80), it was deployed at section level with the role of fire support for flanking manouvers, however again just being a longer barreled version of the standard assault rifle, it only really added extra accuracy, no increase in rate of fire or spread of bullets. So it worked closer to a sniper type weapon, giving more concentrated fire than an actual MG, which was supposed to be its intended role.

This is LSW:



Which has been replaced by Minimi, which address the issues above:




I dont know what Dane was saying about Bren accuracy, but I dont doubt that it wouldnt perform suppression dutys as well as a propper MG due to being too accurate. That doesnt mean it wasnt a good gun, or well liked.

Pak wall, use your panther defensivley to stop the churchills killing the paks.

Stuka strafe will help wreck them too, provided you use it well and gain good vision.

But when people start countering it propperly, normal T2 builds will become more solid again.


Part of the advantage of it is the PGs come out and provide good shock value against infantry which are trying to dig out your MGs.

I think if allies use M3, UC and M20 against this strat, it will force you to get a very early shrek (you dont even have snare), which prevents that first PG having an impact in the infatry battle (also no muni for bundled nade if you went fast shrek), so now their infatry should push you and your MGs off the map.

A single shrek squad isnt even that solid a counter to those lights, yes it will push them away, but they can go harass elsewhere, all the while they an focus you PG squad and force it to retreat.


There is definately a window to exploit before you have 2 squads with shreks.

Making them buildable wouldnt slow them down THAT much, because the build time is not that different to the added walk time from edge of map vs from your structure on many maps.