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Yeah Hissy your right, and of course a T70 is a nastier unit than any inf unit, I just meant that the T70 is what you have instead of more inf.
As far as scatter goes, good, tanks won't be able to chase retreating units so effectively, which is only good. They will still rape in a stand up fight.
They are not changing scatter simply because of industry.. They already tried to nerf it a bit last patch.. They just decided the nerf didn't go quite far enough because of the AOE of tanks.
This is only good, they have an idea and implement it cautiously so not to over nerf stuff.
Would you rather they just nerfed it to the ground 1st time around like has happened to units in the past. |
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Repair only uses 30 ammo now. |
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Yeah of course T70 will keep showing up, the T70 is the equivalent on infantry in this doctrine.
I still feel it can be countered ok in 1v1, but I wont comment on team games, because Ive not watched/played any yet.
Im not arguing its totally balanced. Just that I dont think its a win every time button. |
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Akula, you missed my point.
Playing industry, you only build about 3 inf units, then you need to build fuel units. If you build too many inf units you cripple your income because you don't have enough manpower to keep reinforcing them. Exactly the same way that would happen if you spammed only elite inf in normal circumstances.
But by making industry 1 CP, you would be forced to continue making inf, so you'd end up with 5 or
More inf units, which as soon as you select industry, your not going to be able to reinforce easily.
A fast T 70 is very unsupported in the way that a normal T70 would be. All you really need to keep it at arms length is grens and a fast pak. Multiple grens make Faust easy, if the T70 tries to stay at range, easy pickings for pack. |
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A lot of people batting about the idea of increasing the CP cost of Industry (among others), which is something I considered myself.
I do belive there is a large problem with that however, if you cannot activate industry until 1 CP, you will be forced to build more infantry.. infantry that you will not be able to afford to reinforce with the reduced manpower (not at the same time as paying for tanks anyway).
So if you are playing industry, you need it within first 5 mins really, before you have more than ~4 inf units.
Ideal would be half a CP, which would slightly slow T70 rushes, but still let it work as intended.
TBH, im not sure what the big deal with industry is, maybe its in team games where it has a much larger effect? Ive only been playing 1v1s and Ive really found it not that effective now people have got used to countering it. Your locked into it so tight, there is little room to adapt, so your opponent can pretty much spam AT. Ive had much more fun and success playing with the Soviet defense doc.
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I had a game with the 85's vs some panthers, they did well and gave the panthers something to think about, often forcing them to retreat and repair. The panthers are still very durable obviously, but at least the 85's can penetrate and actually do some damage.
Its kinda like the T34 - P4 match up now, just slightly more panther favorable.
Had an IS-2 taken out soley by Stuka strafe as well, because I forgot it had been buffed and just left it in place.
Ended up losing everything I had, but just scrapped a VP win. |
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Yeah, and really hits home about the 'game' we are playing.
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People are definatly getting good at countering Industry now, sometimes 2 fast upgunned scout cars, sometimes pak, shrek and then P4.
Industry really is fairly all or nothing, in that you are 100% locked into armour. So when someone surrvives into the mid game, they will have so much AT, and your inf is likely really suffering as well, that you get pushed back quite a bit.
I had a really cool game where I was pushed right back, called a KV2 and deployed it in my base then slowly pushed out, it did end in a loss when he rushed paks and P4s onto me, but it was great fun using the KV2. (I feel its only really really good vs mass inf, or stationary defensive position).
Anyway, totally counterable, and I probably have more fun using a normal doctrine.
I guess its probably more of a team doctrine really.
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They had already tried to nerf moving accuracy for vehicles (before these new commanders).
This is just step further becauce they have found their 1st nerf was not quite strong enough.. thats all. |
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I dont think he is bowing, I think he's just been brought to his knees with emotion at seeing it.
It must seem like a terribly long time ago to him, but Im sure he still has some very vivid memories of it all.
bigchunk, I imagine all tanks have a serial number, like a registration plate. |
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