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Yeah I think this is the worst part of playing soviet. The game only gets interesting after the first 3 or so minutes when you choose t1 or t2. It's not a balance concern for me as much as one of entertainment.

Making t1 or t2 come sooner will introduce balance issues which will need to be corrected, but overall I think the game will be better for it.

Other than that I don't really have any issues with going soviet.

@OP you would have saved a lot of confusion if you didn't talk about late game units in your post.

i dont agree that it will make balance issues. Even right now you can always chose to make a t2 or t1 building off the bat with soviet, but if you chose to do that you are PUNISHED with having to wait over a minute for the building to finish.

If the building finished much faster like germans, than I do not think that it would have much an effect on balance at all, other than maybe making scout cars cost more fuel. But grens come standard with a counter to those scout cars which already come out very early anyway.

Dropped shrecks won the game.

Exactly what I was going to write. The game was lost when VonIvan accidently left his vetted up shreked pgrens in a molotov for too long, lost them, and the shrek was picked up by Hans, who later picked up another shrek.

Those shreks won the game and losing the pgren squad was the turning point.



Now, if VonIvan would of instead made LMG grens and not pgrens, and also would of made LMG's instead of the flame half track i think the game wouldnt of even went on very long. LMGgrens are way too powerful in my opinion and are the bane of the balance of this game.

Aaand another person who wont answer a direct question.

Seems to be very difficult for some people these days.

Dunno. For me it was a necessary skill I learned in school.
Either you answered your test questions specifically and relevantly, using the proper syntax, Or you failed. Maybe that is no longer the case and kids just run around saying "no, im not gonna answer your question".

A) Where does Ost flexibility reside?
B) Where does Sov flexibility reside?

Seemed simple enough to me. But I guess not.

Dont answer then.
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one problem...


being questioned by you is not a fucking test. you to try to belittle my arguments because you have no real point of your own, and you have ZERO experience to draw from since all your experience is in low tier play. I answered your question and you didnt like my answer. Lol Get over yourself and get out of this argument you have no value to bring.

@Sluz: I think the linear nature of Ost teching and builds provides a stronger base with which to react. You generally have everything you may need readily available, if you can micro well enough to have resources to purchase them.

Conversly, and asymmetrically to this, as Sov, you need to deliberately choose those options, to have them available. When you have chosen them, they perform slightly better, overall, than Osts generalised equivalents, at those specific tasks. The micro challenge comes in, at making use of those specialised choices, specifically for those tasks vs Osts more generalised options.

Now, there are an number of theoretical situations one can setup, artificially, for discussions sake, to demonstrate that that doesnt pan out, but I think that is the underlying design precept, and one that should be remembered when gauging IF Sov units and Ost units, asymmetrically, are actually following that central design concept, or not.

Units like the T70, for which Ost has no light tank equivalent. Or the SU76 as a glass cannon artillery option, and ZiS Barrage, are all indicative of this underlying versatility concept that Im proposing is the case.

I think there are problems on Sov with the tech division between t2 and t3, which are actually lateral, rather than progressive. There is something problematic in the unit division between these two buildings, that leaves Sov vulnerable to Osts solid and comprehensive, and generalised, teching. If you make the wrong choice, you are fucked, whereas with Ost, you can srill build counters and initiative units feom your existing tech base.

please tell me where exactly you see the soviet units performing better than the german counter parts? German mortar is better than standard soviet mortar, grens are better than cons, the mg42 is agree'd to be better than maxim, soviet sniper is better sure, but ALL german armor is better than the soviet counerparts, the pak is better than the zis although the zis has a high cost barrage it can use to maybe almost kill 1 squad...

I dont see this fairy tale game your talking about. Where is the trade off we get for having half of our army unavaliable to us during the game while german never has to make such a choice? Where is the trade off for, as others have said, needing more skill/micro to play soviet? I dont see any trade off except larger squad sizes, but they still have less armor/hp...

the only cases youi can come up with where soviets have more 'options' in thier abilities are a few rarely used units like the su76 barrage (which does not do much dmg at all), the zis, and the t70. Mind you, you DO get a light tank pretty much in the flame half track and upped gun scout car, and you get them far before we can get a t70.

Its all nonsense your defending something that cannot be defended right now, the game needs balancing. And you barely play the game so how would u know and why do you always argue on every balance discussion when your experience is in low rank/tier play?

as ive said before, im decently high rank with BOTH factions, and if it was the other way around id argue that soviet be nerfed.

and to add to the other discussion of soviet flexibility possibly coming from call ins.... Germans have just as many call ins if not more now with the new commanders. Giving them even more strategies to use.

Well that might be a legitimate concern. 90 fuel in a 1v1 isn't just something you can get from nowhere.

Maybe you are supposed to use doctrine units for versatility?

all you got is Gaurds or Shocks, and some commanders dont even have call ins.

Why does soviet have to rely on call ins while german always has access to all thier units?

I think alot of balance issues would be fixed if they nerfed or did some kind of change to the LMG for grens, and if they made is so soviets can make thier buildings at half the build time it is now and a much lower price after thier second building is made, so that they can get other units they need if they have to without screwing up the balance of how fast players can get certain units to the field. (like tanks)