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Thread: Patch Notes Discussion (Dec. 10th)12 Dec 2013, 11:54 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2013, 11:49 AMSmokazCOH Huge dislike for PPSH nerf! This was way too harsh, and the wrong solution. Bring it back to decent status and up the price to 30. Yes I don't understand this either,I never had trouble equipping Conscripts with PPsh's...This "change" gives a slight advantage for Soviets early game,but mid to late game this upgrade doesn't even make a difference so it's pretty usseles... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Patch Notes Discussion (Dec. 10th)12 Dec 2013, 11:46 AM @Nullist I am talking about the PPsh nerf,sorry if I didn't made that clear... The PPsh's are used by Conscripts so as I was saying Conscripts are weaker with this change/nerf whatever @Gustav Most of times yes,I chose a commander with PPsh Played two matches in which Conscripts were minced meat against (almost)everything that had infantry written on it ... They were before too but it was a lot more survivable when thay had decent damage In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Patch Notes Discussion (Dec. 10th)12 Dec 2013, 11:18 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2013, 10:40 AMGustavGans My standard soviet build includes at least 3x cons and I have yet to find someone that doesn't use them because of their "uselesness". At-nades can cripple every german vehicle up to t3 reliably, molotovs work perfect both against infantry and weapon teams, oorraah makes flanking a lot easier, in the late game you can use them to reinforce your weapon teams, so so yes they are basline soviet infantry and yes they can softcounter a lot of stuff. Don't send cons head on into a firefight with upgraded or superior infantry. If you have trouble dealing with G43's just go here My standard built WAS 5xCons then Shocks but that doesn't matter here... Before if microed correctly,they would've put a good fight against LMGGrens,PGrens and G43Grens...Now whatever you do,they are minced meat... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Patch Notes Discussion (Dec. 10th)12 Dec 2013, 10:08 AM Nullist:I think it's obvious... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Patch Notes Discussion (Dec. 10th)12 Dec 2013, 09:36 AM Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2013, 08:35 AMGustavGans Conscripts have never been "useless" nor are they now. If they are useless to you, you are doing something wrong. For 240 mp you'll get a solid basline Infantry unit that can be upgraded to soft counter pretty much everything and does excellent service when it comes to flanking manoeuvres. Please play with them before making comments that they are "baseline" and they soft counter everything...before patch I wasn't using them incorrectly Pre-patch PPsh made them decent,now they are just bad... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Patch Notes Discussion (Dec. 10th)12 Dec 2013, 07:59 AM Conscripts are even more usseles now,they are raped by everything the Ostheer player has except Ostruppen...gg Relic,nice change In: COH2 Balance
Thread: "One-shot-wipe-potential"10 Dec 2013, 13:13 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2013, 12:50 PMStoffa In top 100 play the units you mention here are hardly ever used Joker. Also I am not interested in "I once in a 1000 games had a squad wipe to a bundle grenade"-comments. Bundle grenades simply don't wipe out full health squads consistently, they just don't. I thought we were talking about the average playerbase here... Also the argument "Bundle grenades simply don't wipe out full health squads consistently" can apply to some abilities you gave example... Mines for example don't wipe full health squads,in majority there remains 1 or 2 members in of a squad... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: "One-shot-wipe-potential"10 Dec 2013, 12:48 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2013, 12:43 PMStoffa Thanks for the examples Joker. The analysis I did above is based on 1v1 play (and a bit of 2v2). In 1v1 Railway Artillery is not seen a lot. Even if it is used it is very easily dodged. Also, it's a lategame ability. All in all it doesn't nearly have the impact of the of the abilities I mentioned in my opening post. The same really goes for Sector Artillery: not used a lot, easily dodged by leaving the sector (unlike Sturmovik attacks where you get one shotted even if you retreat right away). All in all not an ability with a lot of impact. Bundle Grenades is not a good example cause that hardly ever wipes a squad (we're talking full health here). @Gustav: thanks. The 2 units you mention are both lategame units. The brummbar is generally considered bad, and is hardly used. It very rarely one shot wipes. The howie is, of course, good but again: lategame and hardly ever seen in 1v1. Talking from actual experience had squad wipes from railway,sector and had 2 or 3 squad wipes from bundle grenades(infantry was stacked up I think) and I'm sure you underestimate the Brummbar...Panther+Brummbar is especially very hard to counter... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: "One-shot-wipe-potential"10 Dec 2013, 12:37 PM Railway Artillery Four squads wipe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXgLH6WV29g Sector Artillery Many squad wipes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xRqi2JC36k Bundle Grenades etc In: COH2 Balance
Thread: MG 42 The Most Useless Unit In The Game9 Dec 2013, 05:59 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2013, 00:21 AMThe_Courier Alright, 10% more suppression is just what it needed. Let's see how the unit fares from then on. I'm sure that Nullist & Co will find something else to bitch about(Mark Target OP cough cough) In: COH2 Balance