Profile of PanzerGeneralForever

AT Guns don't tickle Panthers at all. Go and calculate the penetration chances of 57mm AT Gun, or even Riflemen AT Snare for maximum argumentation, as it was shown in the shoutbox at the time of writing this post.

ATGs and RF nades don't Peirce the FRONT of the panther. It does Peirce the sides and rear tho. If he's going in for your calliope, he'll have to drive past you and expose his sides and rear which is the perfect chances to snare him. I agree with Australian magic. ATG+RF stops panther. The only tanks it doesn't stop are tiger and KT but they're so slow you won't have a problem keeping your calliope away from them.

I hate brace with a passion, just throwing it out there because the problem is in desperate need of a solution. Maybe a different, less cancerous variant of brace that only protects against indirect damage with 3 minute cooldown and and you can't fire during the cooldown?



What about the Priest? It packs all the punch of an ML20 but cannot effectively be taken out by offmaps (against competent players anyway). You can only hope to catch it out of position with a tank or Schrecks. On the maps you mentioned, you wouldn't be able to take out a Priest, which makes me wonder if this would really be as overpowered as you say. But I would take any solution to the current problem, because I really think functional tube artillery is the missing piece in the equation of CoH2 gameplay.

Still wouldn't want brace on any artillery weapons. They have to fight to get to your artillery gun and either A. kill it (not just decrew) with tanks or B. bomb it with off map artillery of which for ost is stuka strike or Railway and OKW some very expensive off maps which is hard enough to achieve. Give it brace and its like having an invincible mortar or mg that can damage enemies without being destroyed.

Priest and calliope are way harder to kill than static artillery guns due to mobility armor and HP but they also cost a fair bit of fuel as opposed to just manpower. Priest IMO is balanced. Good vs static targets (namely OKW trucks and pak43s) and great survivability. Calliope, while being more expensive pays for itself without even seeing an enemy. Thats not OK IMO.

Artillery should be a SUPPORTING part of COH2 imo. Artillery is LAZY, ANNOYING and FRUSTRATING to deal with, and makes discourages proper assaults and strategies. I remember COH1 games where over half the game was about dodging enemy artillery pieces while trying to build up a strong enough force to defeat them. I do NOT want that again. I don't think any competitive players or relic want that either. Thats my opinion though. At the end of the day whatever makes relic more money will likely be the direction COH2 drifts to.

Every time I see a static artillery thread I post the same thing.

There are 1-click, no-brainer, no-micro counters that negate 600 manpower. You either have these counters in your selected commander or not. Either way it is not fun to play the game that way. The deadly Stuka + Recon combo is present in multiple doctrines which are all very present in the meta.

Solution: fudge the target tables so that all offmaps leave a full HP howitzer at 5% hit points (in addiion to decrewing of course). Maybe inflict a crit that it can't fire until fully fixed. Alternatively, give some variation of brace.

Until this is implemented, there is no use discussing balancing tube arty at all. It could be overpowered as hell and we simply would not know because HURR DURR STUKA STRIKE.

I will keep posting this in all artillery threads until it is implemented.

Good ideas but you just can't give a backline unit brace. The enemy has to go deep to even see it and they can't stick around to wait for it to unbrace.

Other ideas are good.

Also remember that there are some maps where getting LOS on the artillery weapon is nearly impossible. With out stuka bomb strike it would be impossible. I don't like the idea of making artillery more durable. Katty and pwerfer are at least balance IN TERMS OF THERE SURVIVABILITY.

They're seen because Sov and USF need them to stay on the match, not because its cool to have them. Ostheer doesn't need a better 222, they already have powerful tools to manage different aspect of the gameplay. 222 is one of those tool, unfortunately 222 counters stuff that are not meta today and guess what it is also because 222 has been over-buffed couple of months ago already. The unit is too good for what it cost and this lead players to not use scout cars anymore vs Ostheer.
What you achieve with your changes is leading players to definitively leave scout car play and adding in the list light armor play. But no worries because you decided to included a increase dps vs infantry as well to be sure whatever Sov/USF/UKF player decides to do, you just need to field a 222 and here we go, countered!!!

You just lost the notion of unit usage and dedication balance and weakness and the point that increasing the cost of a unit to compensate its potential OPness doesn't work at all.

The main issue here isn't how good or bad the 222 is necessarily. Its the fact that UNLIKE EVERY OTHER FACTION, ost has no light tanks at all. T70, Stuart, AEC, Luchs, ost has none of these. Miragefla is proposing we give ostheer that in the form of abuffed changed (due to cost adjustment don't forget) 222.

I wouldn't say the German supply drop is over powered at all. The soviet one needs a buff imo. You could always make a cache instead. Fuel caches boost +3 fuel/minute *16 minutes does the same thing while denying the capture of a point.

The crates can be captured if the player isn't careful. I usually only use it for munitions personally and munitions points are typically in the middle of the map and highly contested.
Also, 200 mp for the drop means 200mp worth less of units to defend the drop zone. This issue becomes rather negiligble in large game modes.