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Thread: USA scotts (M8A1)4 Oct 2021, 11:29 AM Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2021, 03:16 AMGoforGiantsV3 yeah, so, Scott must get roll-backed its standard normal fire range to 60 and get roll backed veterancy bonus only effects Skill barrage to all barrages(normal fire barrage + Skill fire barrage) No it shouldnt. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why S mine field exist in this game?3 Oct 2021, 12:58 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2021, 12:55 PMDonnieChan how did that work? i forgot It basically made a patch of Deep Snow that units had to wade through. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: What was old CoH2 infantry combat like?2 Oct 2021, 21:33 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:36 PMKlement Pikhtura Hmm, isn't body armor is sort of a bonus rec. acc. for small arms like rifles and smgs? The higher the pen, the more chance to pen the target. That's why you get higher DPS towards shocks from HMGs and LMGs then from kar98Ks and G43s. It is very similar to armor penetration and target size. First you need to land a hit, which is (acc.* target size)100%, then, if you land a hit, penetration chance is calculated (penetration/Armor)100%. So if the chance to hit is 90% and chance to pen is 60% you get a combined chance to deal damage of 54%. I think removing armor was a good thing, because it made game less complicated. The damage reduction, which Grens have (and heavy sappers??) is another story. But again, I started playing in 2019, when all that jazz was long gone. Heavy sappers also have armour, not Damage Reduction. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: JP4 performance2 Oct 2021, 21:31 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper And vet 4-5 is the trade mark of OKW. SU-85 gets x80% reload bonus at 7160 XP while JP get x90% at 8600 and need to get to 10750 to get x76.5%. In sort having to wait 3.000 XP to get 3.5% better bonus is not as great as you trying to present it. At vet 3 the SU-85 has a reload of 4.52. The Jagdpanzer has 4.50 at vet 3. When reaching its second set of reload reductions it now has a reload rate of 3.825. Trying to reduce this to a benefit of "3.5%" is really childish. You know perfectly well that the Jagdpanzer having a 23.5% reduction in reload rate is SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than the SU-85 having 20%, and it would still be significantly advantaged if they both had the same bonus of 20% given that the Jagdpanzer has a much better reload rate to begin with. Stop arguing in bad faith. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper (I will not even bother to ask how you got those numbers) And if even there is a 2-7% difference, there about 50% chance of scoring a collision making the difference even less important. Weapon accuracy * target size. Feel free to describe how you got this "50%" figure. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper Nope, JP does not get a first strike bonus until it get to vet 5. Cloak is bugged and should generally be avoided. I'm aware that it doesn't get it until vet 5, though you didn't provide any context to your assertion that it "bags out the unit half the time and does fire[sic]" either. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper "Heat rounds" gives 30% damage bonus (+30% penetration) and SU-85 has access to mark vehicles for 35% bonus (and cloak for +20% accuracy, +20% penetration, +25% reload speed from vet 0). So heat are good but again not enough to justified the price difference (not that "HEAT rounds should actually have an impact on the price of JP to begin with) You mean "Or". Mark Vehicle and tank cloaking are not in the same commander, you don't get both at once. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper I have clearly said that penetration of the SU-85 over weight the armor. I personally would have not issue exchanging the 160 HP for 20% penetration SU-85 gets. You're welcome to have no issue with whatever you want. It doesn't mean anyone else has to agree though. Would the JP be keeping its significantly better reload rate if it gains additional penetration as well? Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper Simply false JP bounce on Comet/Churchills and doctrinal unit are used allot. Yes, fine. I was talking in terms of just the soviets, but didn't actually specify. The comet and churchill exist in one of three potential factions, however, whereas both axis factions have nondoctrinal Plenty of doctrines are used that do not feature heavy tanks, whereas stock units are always available. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper If some is facing allied mediums one is better of building an PzIV j that is cheaper, can counter them and has great AI. The P4 costs 20 less MP but 5 more fuel. It isnt strictly "cheaper". This is also pointlessly reductive. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 18:50 PMVipper So you do not want to answer simple question. I gave you an answer. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Why S mine field exist in this game?2 Oct 2021, 18:26 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:50 PMKatukov The most stupid thing about s-mines is that you get a full minefield regardless of how many you plant the number of mines in each of the 4 boxes just increases per planted mine That isnt how that works. When you plant "one" S-mine you plant all the mines for that quadrant. When you plant all four you get all four quadrants worth of mines. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:52 PMSander93 On S-mines themselves, balance wise they are fine since the suppression nerf. The long defusing time does suck though, but I don't think that could be fixed. ~ Really the only issue with Smines is when they're placed on a retreat path, which isnt /terribly/ difficult to do given how quickly each quadrant can be placed. Results in some rather cheesy wipes. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF PATHFINDER really？2 Oct 2021, 17:36 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:29 PMMr Carmine I dont see how it is a straw man. If some strat dominates even among top players it isent neccesarely op. Or standard openings or builds are as wel. If a strategy dominates among top players and said strategy results in an overly high winrate then that is indeed indicative of it being overly strong. "Standard openings or builds" are entirely subjective, in any case. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: JP4 performance2 Oct 2021, 17:31 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper A the the great 0.65 sec ROF difference in casemate (falling to 0.025 at vet 3) that will probable have to rotate before firing a second time. The JPIV gets further reload bonuses at vet 4. The units having to rotate before firing also doesn't make the JPIV's firerate less of an advantage. You are putting more shells downrange regardless. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper A the great 1 target size difference from 17 to 18 Which is a difference of between 2-7% in terms of enemy accuracy against the vehicle. That isnt insignificant. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper Which bags out the unit half the time and does fire And the other half of the time you get +25% Accuracy, Penetration, and Damage. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper Finally one thing that actually does matter All of these things matter. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper A doctrinal ability so that one spend munition to increase penetration that SU-85 get for free. Do me a favour and divide the numbers 800 and 1040 by 160 and 208. You may notice a startling difference in the results (Of which there will be four.) Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper All the reason for JP to perform better at that cost. Because you already have a strong AT option? I'm not sure that really follows. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper And SU-85 has clearly a better gun and better mobility that JP which basically what matter the most yet it cheaper. The mobility difference is far less relevant than the extra health or armour of the JP4. The SU-85s gun is also worse relative to the Jagdpanzer given Axis nondoctrinal units' higher armour. Without vet 2 the SU-85 can bounce against some axis nondoctrinal vehicles, whereas the Jagdpanzer cannot. Even after vet 2 the SU-85 can STILL bounce against vetted Panthers and Brummbar, (And obviously the KT) while the Jagdpanzer continues to pen everything and fires more quickly to boot. It's only when you start talking about doctrinal units that the SU-85's increased pen matters. Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 17:11 PMVipper Now in you opinion if all these "advantages" (in ROF/target size/extra health) of the JP where removed/replaced what would a fair price be for the JP? A: Why is "Advantages" in quotation marks? These are undeniable advantages that the JPIV has. B: I don't see the JP requiring nerfing and the price reducing. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: JP4 performance2 Oct 2021, 16:35 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 16:16 PMVipper It was not not a good player or the balance team that wrote: but it was you so I am asking you. If you do not have a clue about something, I suggest not to post about it. Fire Rate, target size, Stealth, increased health total, access to HEAT rounds, existence within a faction that also has the Panther, etc. There are clearly things that the JPIV has over the SU-85, pretending you don't know is a little daft. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF PATHFINDER really？2 Oct 2021, 13:36 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2021, 08:59 AMMr Carmine In your logic soviet t1 sniper opening with m3 and penals are op now because its been proven to be very effective by some high level players. Yet it costs quite a bit of mp and micro/combined arms and map control early on. This is a Strawman, but if T1 with Sniper, Penal, and M3 play were a strategy that dominated at high levels then it would be arguably overpowered, yes. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad is OP2 Oct 2021, 00:43 AM Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2021, 23:40 PMgeneral_gawain It depends which matchup we are talking about. USF and UKF really don't shine in the indirect fire department, unless you take the same 1-2 commanders always. Soviets on the other side have a very useful nondoctrinal mortar, strong nondoctrinal rocket artillery and a bunch of commanders with come with one of two doctrinal howitzers or the doctrinal 120mm mortar. USF/UKF nondoctrinal -> definitely axis nondoctrinal indirect fire superiority with commander choices this may look different I don't really know about that. The new Mortar Pit has shown itself to be very effective, and USF have the earliest mortar in the game, as well as both the Pak Howie and Scott. Ost's big thing is really the Werfer, which is definitely very good but comes rather late. OKW have the Stuka, which is a pretty specialised bit of kit. I'm not sure it's entirely clear-cut. In: COH2 Balance